Jon Favreau

They also specifically singled out a few Democrats, us, for inviting you to CrookedCon last year, Ro Khanna and Michigan Senate candidate Abdul El-Sayed, also a former Crooked host who a few of us have donated to and who you campaigned with this week, which fueled even more controversy.

Now, you and I scheduled this conversation weeks ago.

I'm sure some people have had enough Hasan Piker discourse, but I do think it's an important conversation to have because like, you know, even though you and I have different politics, we've actually debated our disagreements on this show.

I think there's value in doing that in person in a format that's not mediated by algorithms or a fucking five minute cable hit.

So with all that said.

Here's where I want to start.

I think the rallies with Abdul this week were the first time you've been a featured speaker at a candidate's actual campaign event.

And I wonder how you, self-proclaimed Marxist anti-imperialist, decided to be a campaign surrogate for a Democratic candidate, even one as progressive as Abdul.

What was your thinking there?

And what has made you get more involved in Democratic politics?

Just to broaden it out, because I do think it's useful for people who don't know and are now wondering, what's he up to?

What does he want?

What is your theory of political change?

How do we get from

where we are now, what is the mechanism to get from where we are now to the world that you wanna live in?

Oh, great question.

And when you think about your own show and your own audience, like, what do you think actually changes people's minds?

Yeah, and sort of build coalitions of people who are different.

You have over 3 million followers on Twitch, 1.75 million on YouTube.

I saw that you've done something like 20,000 hours of live streaming that is all off-the-cuff political takes and responding to viewers in real time, which I imagine must be like constantly fighting with people in your mentions real time.