Jon Lee Anderson

Yeah.

The fact that it's remained as long as it has, has to do with the fact, I think, a lot of it's geographic.

The fact that it's an island, you know, it's just harder to change things on an island.

However, this could be tougher than the Americans think.

Even Rubio, whom I think has adopted, interestingly, a more sophisticated approach.

policy approach with both Venezuela and now Cuba than I would have expected.

But it's got this imperialist kind of veneer, which one wonders, really, is that going to work forever?

This idea of making countries dependencies in this new era, will it last beyond Trump

And I think that they may be, as we've seen with Iran, the Iran intervention, you know, this arrogance, a hubris, a kind of denialism about history and human nature and a lack of knowledge about other countries and their pasts.

And so quite apart from whether or not the Cuban Communist Party goes down the ditch, I don't think there'll be too many lamentations about it in Cuba.

Right.

there will still be residual nationalism that's going to rear its head.

And at some level, it may well cause these negotiations to be difficult, more than difficult, and strung out over time.

And

On the one hand, the Cubans who are having to do these negotiations are looking at Iran and they're thinking, the Americans are in this quagmire.

This benefits us.

On the other hand, they're thinking, we've got to get some energy supplies somewhere here.

So they're going to go into this like maybe a canny poker player.

And they're handicapped because of the fuel thing.

But on the other hand, they may have some resources that the Americans can't see right now.