Jon Lee Anderson

And one of those resources, it may sound paradoxical, is the fact that, you know, there's already been some protests and some unrest on the island.

That could spread further.

Yes, that threatens the regime, of course, but they have the ability to suppress most of it.

However, it's also a threat to the United States because if chaos begins in Cuba and the people they want to stabilize it, i.e.

the remnants of the Communist Party and the military...

you know, are incapable of controlling that chaos, you have chaos not, you know, not 700 or 800 miles away, as is Haiti, you know, but 90 miles away.

And you could be seeing, you know, a re-immigration flood to the United States if there's real chaos on the island.

Thank you, David.

Thank you.

I think the South is the most beautiful place in America.

Yeah, I mean, you were talking about the Marielbo lift, and then I lived there in Havana in 92 to 95 at the time of the Balceros crisis, the Rafters crisis, which happened in 94 and about 50 to 60,000 Cubans left.

And at the time, it was it was two years into the what they called the special period, which was right after the Soviet Union collapsed and all the aid that had kept the island afloat for 30 years abruptly ended.

And, you know, tractors became oxen.

Cars went to bicycles.

People got skinny.

It was a bad time.

This is.

in some ways, much worse, because I say in some ways, because in those days, Cubans couldn't leave.

You had to I even I had to ask permission to leave the island.

And things things were made.