Jon Lee Anderson

There is more need, therefore, like everywhere, there's more violent crime.

It's difficult to know how much there is because of course that isn't reported in the same way it is elsewhere.

But the illusion that Cuba was somehow exceptional, here I am beginning to feel a certain parallelism with the United States.

The idea that Cuba for 60 years in the minds of the believers in the revolution was an exceptional place.

has ebbed almost completely.

And therefore, the end of the Cuban revolutionary dream is colliding against what I see as the end of the American dream.

That's right.

It's equally reported in both places.

I made two trips to Miami in the course of the summer and spent time talking to people there.

including Cubans who are hunting down fellow Cubans who have come into the United States.

The repressors, the repressor list.

The repressors.

As part of that exodus and whom they believe, you know, or in some cases, it's true that these people, it's one point or another work for the regime.

And therefore, they don't feel that they should

have the benefit of a life in the United States.

And in a couple of cases, people have been arrested and deported, including a judge not not long ago and a guy from the Ministry of Interior, that is to say their secret police and so on.

So what's happening is that people who at various times worked for the regime and has to be said to that, you know,

over over the course of decades that that would eventually include a lot of the cuban people because it was after all a command economy and a socialist regime therefore you know to go to college you might have to join one of the revolutionary groups or you might have to join the party communist party all of that according to people like marco rubio and his friends who are behind this push to expel

cubans who participated with the regime that's somehow a bridge too far including sort of representative jimenez there in miami you know that that means that you made a choice at one point and you've got to live with your choice well i'm not sure who gets to throw the first stone here you know in the course of these these past 60 years i mean my god there were people that were revolutionaries who participated in putting fidel castro into power who also um you know fled years ago sure what what makes

What makes someone who fled, you know, 40 years ago and someone who fled, you know, last year?