Jon Lee Anderson

Well, Miami kind of makes the list, right?

Because if you were tied to Samosa or or Batista or, you know, or the Contras or, you know, anybody else, you were fine in Miami all these years.

And by the way, so were a bunch of cocaine cowboys.

So Miami is not exactly, you know, a place of moral rectitude.

It's kind of a an American Casablanca.

where where conspirers or exiles mostly from the on the right can come and do whatever they want and plot coups, assassinations and rebellions from there.

You know, the Contra War.

I remember going down to Miami in the in the 1980s and talking with Frank Sturgis, who was a former CIA asset and a Watergate burglar

who was then involved with the CIA's program to overthrow the then Sandinista government.

You know, it's always been a place where where, you know, one man's one man's freedom fighters and other man's terror.

Exactly.

I mean, Felix Rodriguez is still living there.

He's the guy who gave the order to the Bolivians to kill Che Guevara in Bolivia.

He was a CIA, you know, operative for a long, long time.

He also was involved in the Iran-Contra scandal.

He has never been tried for his crimes, nor did Posada Carriles, who was actually a terrorist, and Orlando Bosch, both of whom arguably were responsible for scores of deaths of people.

Exactly.

Exactly.

I mean, if you were a left wing Latin American in the Cold War years and a little bit after you went to Mexico City, you know, or you went to Spain, if you were going to stay in the West, you didn't come to Miami, you know.

So it's interesting.