Jon Lovett

One thing I just, I thought was worth saying is, you see polls from people saying ICE is making cities less safe, right?

And those are polls of people that aren't there, I mean, for the most part.

And so they're reacting to the chaos they're seeing.

And so that's a kind of aesthetic judgment, like this looks like it's not good, right?

It's a good judgment, it's correct.

But then you talk to people about what it's actually like, and to people that are trying to kind of assist in the communities, and they are seeing people afraid to call the police.

They're seeing people afraid to go to the hospital, afraid to report domestic abuse, afraid to get warm in the cold.

And that is a community that is less safe because of this chaos, because of the presence of ICE.

I tried to talk to, not on camera or anything,

some local law enforcement.

And they're obviously like skittish about the politics of this.

Like they're dragged into this and they're trying, you just see like some Minnesota guys, like they're from the local police and they're just trying to keep the peace, right?

And I said like, this can't be like making the community feel safer.

I like, I know you're sort of staying out of it.

I'm not trying to put you on the spot on the politics, but like,

Obviously, if you weren't out here, you'd be doing something else.

And you watch him struggle to answer that, yeah, look,

we've gotta be out here because we're worried about what's gonna happen with these protests.

We're worried about counter protests.

We're trying to keep these people safe.