Jon Lovett

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I want to talk, well, let's go to mood because I think you're getting at this, which is, you know, you talked about business leaders coming in to see Roosevelt.

That had begun under Hoover.

He invites business leaders to the White House.

And after the meeting, the head of Con Ed, Consolidated Edison at the time, tells someone, I was never so confused in my life.

Hoover believes that this is just an emotional thing, that America is having a psychological issue, basically.

We're having like a mental break.

And really, people just need to be buoyed.

But

He's the exact worst, even if that were the case, which wasn't, he's the exact wrong person to do it.

He's a terrible communicator.

Can you talk about both sides of this, right?

Like on the one hand, no, this isn't just a mood.

There's a huge crisis unfolding that's based in hard numbers.

And then if it were a mood, why he was so bad at persuading people or talking to people about what was happening.

That's real.