Jon Lovett

It's not some of them.

I mean, the people, people are furious that he's not paying attention to the rising to prices.

People feel like he hasn't fundamentally addressed the main reason he was able to get in a second time.

Yeah.

To the point about Biden and Hoover, there's a point in the book where you talk about Hoover struggling to communicate, in part because he's constitutionally gloomy, just a gloomy guy.

And I just think about Biden trying to reassure the country, but

His tone, certainly by the end, had become, when comprehensible, so defensive and so small.

And the parallel that I drew is Hoover is this person that sees himself as someone perfectly suited to understand and manage a crisis, far more so than Roosevelt, who knew far less about the economy.

And yet the country came to view Hoover as someone completely untrustworthy and put all their faith and belief in Roosevelt, believed he was the guy to solve it, even though he really had a pretty superficial understanding.

It was really going by gut.

And I think the parallels there are pretty obvious now.

I'm glad you didn't.

We live in an era where people are afraid of subtext and they don't trust their audience to just make their own conclusions.

But...

Great stories, you don't answer the question, you leave people with a question.

One would think, that's at least how it used to be.

But now you go into, now, this is for another conversation, but you'll, like, the number of movies where at about two-thirds of the way in, some character looks at the audience and says, here's the thesis of this film.

It's like out of control.

It's out of control.

I love you for saying that.