Jon Lovett

Maybe you think there needs to be a more humane, but version of it.

I don't know what the answer is, but like, I have no idea what anyone's position on that because we haven't had any kind of full throated democratic

vision on immigration in a very long, long time.

And so I think this is the credibility problem that Democrats in the Senate fall into over and over again, which is they want to signal that they understand that they need to fight, but they have their limited tools.

And then nobody knows what their deeper goal is.

They understand that the tactics may be in the short term, which they don't trust.

But in the long term, what are you trying to get to?

Because we want to abolish ICE, and we have no idea what you're for.

We had Mark Warner.

I talked to Mark Warner was on the YouTube and he was initially pretty opposed to a.

stopping this bill to having a shutdown over DHS.

But I think he's been moved by what he's been seeing.

And I do think being reasonable and then moved to the stronger position does make it more credible to Republicans as well.

So there is that.

Mordant.

Well, it's aimed at people who read books.

I am actually.

I have to look that up myself.

Especially of humor having or showing a sharp or critical quality biting.

I just Mordant sounds.