Jon Lovett

Yeah, so just for people, so Horatio Alger stories, just for people, these were stories about kind of hardscrabble, people from hardscrabble roots working their way up, not to like supreme wealth, but to like a classic...

home life, like a good family life and providing for their family, like a middle class life.

And then all of a sudden there's the possibility that everybody can get rich.

And I was thinking about that and

What I would say the American dream is right now.

And in some sense, you're right.

It remains this idea of like, oh, you can get rich.

But the truth is, I don't know that I would say I've heard anybody really tell me what it is in quite some time.

Right.

People articulate the old version.

But there's something kind of sad about this moment right now, which is.

I don't know that people believe they'll get rich.

I don't know what people think about it, but I feel like there's an optimism that existed in the bubble that I don't know that we have right now.

I don't think I make this look good.

I don't think I make this look good.

Well, you know, it's funny because I was thinking about sort of the post-World War II era that follows, you know, the depression leads into the New Deal and into the World War II and the way that changed the economy.

And you had far higher taxes.

You had far more egalitarian economic growth.

It was a heyday for union jobs.

In some sense, high costs of living and high living did come down.