Jon Lovett

I don't want to, you know, it doesn't have to be kind of restrictive in a kind of feel.

It just has to kind of hold him back.

Are we at the Kristi Noem section or what?

I don't want anyone to wait.

Yeah, I...

It's very old school, right?

You start kind of like doing these sort of policy pronouncements in the run-up to create a kind of like intellectual framework for the kind of campaign you're going to run.

It just feels like it's from another era.

Like I don't have a visceral reaction to it.

Part of what I hear was like, okay, you're going to take the money from ICE and give it to community college, which is like, okay, you think community colleges should have more money and you think ICE should have less money.

I agree with that.

I agree with that, but we're still...

There's something about the way Democrats like move money around, like with the like, you know, it's priority signaling.

I agree with that.

But how big should the tax base be and what should the government do with it?

Right.

Like what is our ideology?

What is our view as Democrats?

Because so many of the I think the like symbolic battles and you can whether it's it's like

how Democrats should be signaling, right, on how angry they are about the shutdown or what should Democrats do to signal they're against the war in Iran.