Jon Lovett

This idea that – and there's truth to it, which is the U.S.

is more inert to the consequences of the closure of the Strait of Hormuz.

We have liquid natural gas.

We have helium.

More.

I'm just – more than – and so what he – it seems like what he's trying to do is signal that he's really, really serious about leaving this problem for others.

That whatever's going on in these talks that Rubio has been having at the G7 and elsewhere –

that he needs to signal to the world that he's really, really genuinely willing to fuck everybody over.

Yeah, and just especially when the head of the regime that you're now claiming was changed was going to be killed by God in just a short while.

He was quite old.

Yeah, I told you, 86, something like that.

You took out the leader of a regime that would have died and left a power vacuum, and instead you started a war in order to what?

To what end?

What have we done here?

My God.

Well, right.

The hope would then be that his unique collection of talents are what held the whole coalition together and that someone like Rubio or Vance couldn't do the same.

I think that's like maybe true.

I do think what part of this is the whole world, including most Americans, learned that preemptive or sort of wars in the Middle East, wars of choice in the Middle East are terrible policy and terrible politics.

Right.