Jon Sopel

carried the can.

You know, there's a sort of there's a sort of a Robin Williams.

You know, there's a sort of, you know, Captain, my captain.

There's a sort of heroism to this to this sort of fresh face, the dead society who's sort of fresh face and wants to be that not just the leader, but the sort of the inspiration for his team.

And I guess you could say, Jesus, is that what power does to you?

That suddenly you're in this position, you're never going to get it again.

And all you're doing, the fingernails are out and you're just clinging on for dear life.

Yeah.

I mean, funnily enough, even in the Island of Strangers example that you gave earlier,

He did say he made a mistake, but then he actually blamed his speechwriter and said, well, I didn't read the copy.

Now, how lucky are you that you have a speechwriter?

Is it so much to ask that you read what they wrote first?

Right.

So, yeah, I guess that is the thing that is that kind of sticks in the crawl, because as Kemi Badenot points out,

It was about the probity, wasn't it?

It was about a kind of spring clean, a cleansing of politics.

And I think it's quite hard to make the argument that Boris Johnson...

wasn't a pretty malign influence on politics and on virtually everyone he touched.

And people knew that.

They said, he's a rogue, he's a wrong-un, but, you know, he's our wrong-un.