Jon Sopel

I think she used the word foolish.

It was pretty outspoken.

And what has become clear was that she got her wrists slapped by none other than Scott Besant, the Treasury Secretary.

who actually got into a bit of a heated exchange with her.

This is according to reporting The Daily Beast.

And after she had gone on to CNBC and she'd sort of said Donald Trump's war is a mistake, has no clear objectives or endgame.

And she dismissed the idea that we were any safer than we were a few weeks ago.

Clearly, we're not only not safer, everything is costing more.

And Besant apparently, according to this reporting, confronted Reeves over those comments and tried to tell her that, yes, the war was making the world safer and it was trying to stop Iran from having a nuclear weapon.

and kept on sort of saying, well, what would happen if Tehran did, you know, get nuclear proliferation?

And he then was basically slapped down by her.

She just said, enough, no.

It's so interesting, isn't it?

I mean, is it a cutting of the umbilical cord?

Not entirely.

But is it a kind of standing up, finding your feet, finding your voice, saying...

You are not making our life any easier.

And if there's one person who knows that by looking at the actual numbers on her spreadsheet, it's Reeves.

It's the chancellor.

She can see where this is heading.