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The News Agents

Does Donald Trump remember who started the war in Iran?

05 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

2.596 - 5.54 Unknown

This is a Global Player original podcast.

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5.56 - 12.548 Emily Maitlis

This is all happening because Donald Trump realises he is in a corner now over the Strait of Hormuz.

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12.568 - 18.535 Jon Sopel

We have got to a place where Trump believes that he is the saviour of this war now, not the perpetrator.

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18.595 - 26.625 Emily Maitlis

There is now a red, white and blue dome over the Strait of Hormuz and it's safe for commercial shipping to pass.

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26.825 - 30.87 Jon Sopel

You can't just come in and sort of, you know, play the white knight.

Chapter 2: What prompted Donald Trump to launch Project Freedom?

31.111 - 32.232 Jon Sopel

Does anyone believe him?

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32.212 - 55.081 Pete Hegseth

Direct gift from the United States to the world, we have established a powerful red, white, and blue dome over the street. American destroyers are on station, supported by hundreds of fighter jets, helicopters, drones, and surveillance aircraft, providing 24-7 overwatch for peaceful commercial vessels. Except Iran's, of course.

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55.581 - 72.337 Emily Maitlis

That is Pete Hegseth, the Defense Secretary or Secretary of War, just a few moments ago at the Pentagon saying, forget iron domes, there is now a red, white, and blue dome over the Strait of Hormuz, which means it is now safe for commercial shipping to pass.

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72.918 - 74.46 Jon Sopel

They're calling it Project Freedom.

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Chapter 3: How does Trump perceive his role in the Iran conflict?

74.92 - 83.992 Jon Sopel

America trying to tell the rest of the world it's safe to go through the Strait of Hormuz. Does anyone believe them? Welcome to The News Agents.

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89.159 - 90.18 Unknown

The News Agents.

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91.915 - 93.238 Emily Maitlis

It's John. It's Maitlis.

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Chapter 4: What military measures are being taken in the Strait of Hormuz?

93.559 - 104.963 Emily Maitlis

So Hexeth today is telling everyone it's safe. There is now all this military hardware in place that anyone who wants to go through the straightforward news can. And he's declaring it a humanitarian mission.

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105.415 - 132.503 Emily Maitlis

It was only yesterday that it seemed that the ceasefire was disintegrating and collapsing in on itself and that the Iranians were firing once again at Gulf nations and there were incoming drones and missile strikes and the Americans were firing on small fast boats used by the Revolutionary Guard to patrol the Strait of Hormuz and sinking a number of those vessels.

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132.837 - 148.18 Emily Maitlis

And here we are today with Pete Hegseth trying to reassure everybody that if you want to go on your way and you want to pass through the Strait of Hormuz, you are now free to do so. Thanks to this red, white and blue dome that is over the Strait of Hormuz.

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148.16 - 171.288 Jon Sopel

Everything that Pete Hegsworth says is just mildly funny, isn't it? I mean, totally atrocious, but also very funny. And I think this goes to the heart of what Trump is now offering. He's decided to basically create what he thinks of as a humanitarian corridor, as if he's actually offering salvation to ships that have been sort of marooned there because of Iran.

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171.408 - 195.465 Jon Sopel

I mean, this is how he thinks it is working. And he's essentially... created this idea, Project Freedom, which means that America, as if it were some neutral country stepping into this terrible humanitarian crisis, is going to be the sort of defender of last resort, you know, the security guarantor for all these ships and lead them to safety.

Chapter 5: Why is there skepticism about America's claims of safety in the region?

195.986 - 218.493 Jon Sopel

Now, it doesn't really make sense because America... is a key player in this. So, of course, as soon as America shows that it is interested in trying to create that role, Iran is just stepping up and going, well, no, you don't. Sorry. No, you don't. We've got this. This is part of the economic war that we've waged. You started this. You didn't know where you were taking it.

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219.134 - 240.17 Jon Sopel

And you can't just come in and sort of, you But he was asked on The Hugh Hewitt Show, this is Trump, if the ceasefire was now over. Because after, you know, America assumed this role, Iran started attacking, then looks if America is responding. And this is what Trump said when he was asked about the ceasefire.

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240.811 - 256.636 Donald Trump

Is the ceasefire over, Mr. President? Is it over? We're going to end the night? Well, I can't tell you that. All right, that's fine. You wouldn't, if I answered that question, you'd say this man is not smart enough to be living in the United States of America. Gotta ask anyway, gotta ask.

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257.037 - 283.869 Jon Sopel

And basically, this is because Trump is rejecting the assertion that the US has sunk seven small boats. That's what the US said, saying actually it had struck two very small boats carrying people, killing five civilian passengers. That's according to Iran's news agency. But I think that we have got to a place where Trump believes that he is the saviour of this war now, not the perpetrator.

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283.909 - 300.866 Jon Sopel

He is seeing himself in a sort of new light, as in the sort of the liberator of the Strait of Tehran, of the Strait of Hormuz of Tehran. And this is clearly just not going to go down well to anyone who thinks that there is still business to be done.

301.287 - 307.8 Emily Maitlis

Well, just on a point of language, he said he shot down the boats, which I always think you shoot down aeroplanes, but not boats.

307.841 - 310.867 Jon Sopel

But anyway, if you're Trump, you can shoot down boats.

310.887 - 332.556 Emily Maitlis

You shot them out of the sky, those boats. But it's also less about him being this kind of generous philanthrop who wants the world to stop suffering. This is all happening because Donald Trump realises he is in a corner now over the Strait of Hormuz, that it was absolutely open and functioning normally.

332.536 - 357.328 Emily Maitlis

before america and israel launched their attack on iran the fuel price is going up his approval ratings are going down and this is about public opinion in america and so you had pete hegseth today going on to say look this is a temporary measure by us the world has to come in and ensure that the strait of hormuz uh is open uh we can't be expected to do it but we're doing this now

Chapter 6: How is public opinion affecting Trump's decisions regarding the war?

691.433 - 704.173 Jon Sopel

and kept on sort of saying, well, what would happen if Tehran did, you know, get nuclear proliferation? And he then was basically slapped down by her. She just said, enough, no.

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704.534 - 726.197 Emily Maitlis

Yeah, I think it's fascinating because I think that this shows It's a vignette. It's one little row. But it tells you so much more about how America sees Britain and how Britain is starting to see America. Reeves reportedly then responded angrily to Besant's comments and said he didn't like the way he was speaking to her.

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726.237 - 745.233 Emily Maitlis

Reeves also reminded Besant that she did not work for him and reiterated her sharp criticisms of the war in Iran. So you can imagine that Besant is saying, you do what I tell you to do. And Rachel Reeves says... I am the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Of a different country. Of a different country. So I will say what I bloody well like.

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745.273 - 765.49 Emily Maitlis

It's so interesting that... I think it does Richard Reeves a lot of good. A lot of good that this story comes out, particularly in a turbulent week where... Questions of leadership, I am sure, will be resurfacing after the local council elections. I'm not saying there was anything deliberate in it. But my God, you know, Rachel Reeves saying, you know what? Go shove it, Scott Besant.

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765.51 - 769.694 Emily Maitlis

You're the US Treasury Secretary. You're not the British Chancellor of the Exchequer.

769.794 - 791.164 Jon Sopel

It's so interesting, isn't it? I mean, is it a cutting of the umbilical cord? Not entirely. But is it a kind of standing up, finding your feet, finding your voice, saying... You are not making our life any easier. And if there's one person who knows that by looking at the actual numbers on her spreadsheet, it's Reeves. It's the chancellor. She can see where this is heading.

792.306 - 816.469 Emily Maitlis

You know, it's undoubtedly true that Europe does seem to be trying to step up. How successful that will be remains to be seen. And whether they can fill the gap. left behind by an America that clearly is, you know, quavering over the Western security umbrella and no longer seems to want to be a part of it. Europe is setting up.

816.489 - 832.729 Emily Maitlis

But I think that this is kind of, you know, we're meant to be in this era, if you believe the Trump rhetoric of American greatness. And he hasn't brought peace to Ukraine, far from it. And By all reports, Vladimir Putin is running a little bit scared at the moment and kind of hunkering down ahead of the May Day.

832.749 - 836.172 Jon Sopel

Cancelling all his military May Day parades.

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