Jon Stewart

There's a whole industry developed saying that- Although now, you know, Zoran Mamdani has taken a little bit of the heat off of- A little bit.

It's obvious you've got to move.

You've got to move here.

Don't do New York City dirty.

Come on.

Let's just – Listen.

I know.

It's a beautiful city.

I happen to love London very much.

Well, it's incentivized monetarily as well.

You have to understand that.

Then what you're saying is Europe shall lead us out of the wilderness, that they have learned their lesson through internecine fighting, and that is all over, and they will lead the democratic liberal establishment out of the wilderness, a reaffirmation of the Magna Carta and the Enlightenment values, and we shall do it there.

Last question, is the antidote to authoritarianism morality or competence?

Right.

Let's all be realistic about just how terrible we all are.

It doesn't appear to be, although that's not my jurisdiction, so I wouldn't- Nor mine, nor mine.

But thank you so much for being with us.

Fascinating as always.

Alistair Campbell, co-host of the Rest Is Politics podcast, and obviously a vast career as an author and

stuff communicator and all those other incredible things alistair please give my best to rory and i hope to see you guys soon uh over there and in that beautiful city of yours see you soon all right bye sir man that got dark they all do i will say this though