Jon Toogood

You know, and it retains that for me even now as a 54-year-old.

It's like...

i still get a buzz i mean how does how does that even work yeah but but my my son now does the same thing 10 years old and and it's cool watching him just pull out records and fall in love with records that i wouldn't have expected like he really likes the first beastie boys album he really likes the cure standing on the beach the singles best of and um it's just it's cool to watch it it's still being the same as what i what it was like for me as a kid you know like yeah

What about cassettes, bro?

Get the pencil out when it used to get caught in the machine.

Great Father's Day.

Yeah, it is.

Dad rock.

Yeah, I think...

One part of the book that was really eye-opening for me was going back post-General Electric, and I'd just rinse myself, basically, because we played about a zillion shows that year, and I was basically self-medicating.

Yeah, no, that was everywhere.

That was Europe, America, everywhere, man.

Yeah.

I'd turned into a rock and roll machine.

I didn't have a life outside of music.

And I basically burnt myself out and didn't realize that my mental health wasn't that good.

And I think we were just about to start writing the Pacifier album.

We'd written the music to Run, the song Run.

And I was just sort of banging my head against the wall in this practice room in Melbourne just going...

I can't find the lyrics for the song and then all of a sudden just burst into tears and realized I was absolutely rinsed and my body was going no more and shut down and that started like three months of extreme panic attacks which was just mad you know like I was out of control of my physical body and it was all coming from my mental state you know so I went back to Wellington