Jonah Goldberg

And so the video utterly backfired and caused a whole firestorm of controversy.

And he had this whole very high-minded explanation about how we shouldn't cancel people, we should engage in their ideas, we should confront them and argue in the marketplace of ideas, which all sounds great, except that's not what Tucker Carlson had done.

What Tucker Carlson had done was basically just give a megaphone to a neo-Nazi.

Kevin Roberts had an all-hands meeting at the Heritage Foundation.

A big chunk of it was dedicated to warning staffers that they'll be fired if any video or audio or quotes from this meeting leak.

And almost before the meeting was over, the full video had been leaked.

It's good to see all of you, and thanks for being willing to be here.

So I have some notes because I want to make sure.

So everyone in my world has watched big chunks of it, if not all of it.

One of the things that the video revealed was that there were... There are people at Heritage, young people at Heritage, who...

not neo-Nazis, but they liked Kevin Roberts' initial statement.

They've got some issues with Israel.

They've got some issues with people who defend Israel.

And then there were other people who were like, you guys are losing your minds.

We cannot be associated with anti-Semites and crazy people.

Kevin Roberts did not resign as many people wanted him to and many people thought he was going to be fired.

But he did basically throw his chief of staff under the bus.

Kevin Roberts defense was basically that he is the right wing Ron Burgundy.

And if you put it in a teleprompter, he will read it.

When the script was presented to me, I understood from our former colleague that it was approved.