Jonathan Beale

You have to look at Donald Trump's rhetoric, then compare it with the reality. And I think if we look at last time, there was rhetoric about pulling out of NATO from Donald Trump, but it didn't happen. And I think Europeans hope that will be the case in a second Donald Trump term. I think it's important to say that even if Donald Trump did want

You have to look at Donald Trump's rhetoric, then compare it with the reality. And I think if we look at last time, there was rhetoric about pulling out of NATO from Donald Trump, but it didn't happen. And I think Europeans hope that will be the case in a second Donald Trump term. I think it's important to say that even if Donald Trump did want

for america to leave nato if he did follow through on some of the things he said it would be very difficult for him to do it for the simple reason that last year congress passed legislation which essentially says no president can suspend terminate denounce or withdraw from nato without either an act of congress or the approval of two-thirds of the u.s senate i mean interestingly that's

for america to leave nato if he did follow through on some of the things he said it would be very difficult for him to do it for the simple reason that last year congress passed legislation which essentially says no president can suspend terminate denounce or withdraw from nato without either an act of congress or the approval of two-thirds of the u.s senate i mean interestingly that's

legislation was passed with the backing of Senator Marco Rubio, who is, of course, Donald Trump's choice as the next Secretary of State.

legislation was passed with the backing of Senator Marco Rubio, who is, of course, Donald Trump's choice as the next Secretary of State.

Europe couldn't go it alone in terms of defence, not least because it doesn't have the nuclear umbrella. Only the UK would be providing a nuclear umbrella for NATO if the US pulled out. I think that's unlikely, as you say. It couldn't do it alone in terms of providing Ukraine with the weapons they need.

Europe couldn't go it alone in terms of defence, not least because it doesn't have the nuclear umbrella. Only the UK would be providing a nuclear umbrella for NATO if the US pulled out. I think that's unlikely, as you say. It couldn't do it alone in terms of providing Ukraine with the weapons they need.

The US is still by far the largest provider of ammunition and weapons to Ukraine and the weapons they need and even the ones that Europe provides originate from the US. So they have to get US supplies approval. And Europe doesn't have its own capabilities that the US has. For example, in space, it doesn't have air defences, missile defences like the US has.

The US is still by far the largest provider of ammunition and weapons to Ukraine and the weapons they need and even the ones that Europe provides originate from the US. So they have to get US supplies approval. And Europe doesn't have its own capabilities that the US has. For example, in space, it doesn't have air defences, missile defences like the US has.

It does not have the size of military that the US has. A lot of European countries, as I mentioned, have cut the size of their military because they are expensive. They're now looking at increasing numbers, talking about conscription, but they cannot fill the numbers, the money, the finance, the technical know-how, and the nuclear umbrella that the US provides.

It does not have the size of military that the US has. A lot of European countries, as I mentioned, have cut the size of their military because they are expensive. They're now looking at increasing numbers, talking about conscription, but they cannot fill the numbers, the money, the finance, the technical know-how, and the nuclear umbrella that the US provides.

So Europe can talk about improving its situation, addressing some of those capability gaps, but it'll take them a long time to do that. It doesn't happen overnight.

So Europe can talk about improving its situation, addressing some of those capability gaps, but it'll take them a long time to do that. It doesn't happen overnight.

Thank you, Katya. Good speaking to you.

Thank you, Katya. Good speaking to you.