Jonathan Fields

And effectively...

they're still at a point where they're just consistently being told, we just don't know what's wrong.

I mean, it seems like you take the original thing and now living with that level of uncertainty and frustration of utility, it's got to just pile on at a completely different level.

Yeah.

And I would imagine also for the physician as well,

it's probably incredibly frustrating for them too.

For sure.

You know, like we're talking about the patient experience and we've all been on that side and it's like, seriously, can somebody just tell me what's going on?

But if you're a doctor and somebody keeps coming back to you and you keep having to basically tell them, I just don't know, it's going to be really hard to be on that side of it too.

Yeah, I mean, I would imagine it would have to be, especially because I feel like we're living in a time where so much of what patients bring to clinicians now falls under the umbrella of non-specific, you know, especially on the level of pain.

There's so much suffering there.

Without a really clear thing that people can point to.

And oftentimes, even when there is a clear thing, it turns out that that's not actually the thing.

You brought up another point, though, which I think is important to speak to, which is

There is an edge to our knowledge also.

And you actually write about the context of long COVID.

We're talking about a condition that did not exist a few years ago.

It wasn't known to anybody because it came from a virus that wasn't circulating.

And to this day, if you ask some people, they'll say, this is real.

And if you ask others, they'll say, this is not real.