Jonathan Goldstein

I don't feel like I'm great in real time.

Yeah, yeah.

There's definitely like – you say closure.

I think like that is – yeah, that is always kind of like the imaginary finish line.

I don't think most of the episodes get there, but it is true what you also say about the process of getting there.

And sometimes it's the thing that people are searching for is somewhat of a MacGuffin.

Like there was one episode –

called Scott, where this former heroin addict had sold all of, like, many prized possessions that belonged to his father, among which was this gun that his grandfather, his father's father, had taken off a Nazi in World War II.

And he had sold this gun to a pawn shop to buy drugs.

And he wanted to get the gun back, and he felt like he owed it to his father.

And

Spoiler alert, he gets the gun after – I mean, I didn't think we were ever going to find this gun again.

It might have taken a couple of years.

We finally got it.

He gives it to his dad, and his dad's like, no, thank you.

And it's just sort of like, Jesus Christ, that's not going to make a very satisfying end.

It is the closure that we thought we wanted, but then it turns out that the conversation he ends up having with his father –

The gun is merely a pass key that allows us into this emotional space where his dad is able to talk about his feelings about his dad and that gun, which he never liked.

And he had mixed feelings about his own father.

And it ends up getting to this point where the dad's able to say to him, like, I don't really give a shit about the gun.