Jonathan Haidt

Whereas if you repeatedly swipe, tap, swipe, tap, and just respond to emotional stimuli, your brain's going to wire to do that. So almost everybody over 35 or so, I guess you're an older millennial. How did you grow up? I'm among the eldest of millennials. The elders, the millennial elders. Tell me when at what age you could go out on your bicycle with your friends and go around the neighborhood.

Whereas if you repeatedly swipe, tap, swipe, tap, and just respond to emotional stimuli, your brain's going to wire to do that. So almost everybody over 35 or so, I guess you're an older millennial. How did you grow up? I'm among the eldest of millennials. The elders, the millennial elders. Tell me when at what age you could go out on your bicycle with your friends and go around the neighborhood.

That's right. So this is what human childhood has always been. There are periods of the Industrial Revolution where maybe kids didn't have a childhood, but Peter Gray, a developmental psychologist who co-founded Let Grow With Me, he has some writing on hunter-gatherers. And hunter-gatherers raise their kids in that way.

That's right. So this is what human childhood has always been. There are periods of the Industrial Revolution where maybe kids didn't have a childhood, but Peter Gray, a developmental psychologist who co-founded Let Grow With Me, he has some writing on hunter-gatherers. And hunter-gatherers raise their kids in that way.

There's no thought that the mother has to be supervising the four, five, six, seven, nine-year-olds. They're all off playing with the other kids. And there are 9- and 10-year-olds there. And so they learn to look out for each other. The older kids learn to care for the younger kids.

There's no thought that the mother has to be supervising the four, five, six, seven, nine-year-olds. They're all off playing with the other kids. And there are 9- and 10-year-olds there. And so they learn to look out for each other. The older kids learn to care for the younger kids.

And the younger kids, remember, they're trying to wire up their brain to like what is a functional member of this society. And the best role models for them are not kids their age. It's kids a few years older. And so in America, in the West, we've got these factory kind of schools where we put all the 8-year-olds are together and then all the 9-year-olds are together.

And the younger kids, remember, they're trying to wire up their brain to like what is a functional member of this society. And the best role models for them are not kids their age. It's kids a few years older. And so in America, in the West, we've got these factory kind of schools where we put all the 8-year-olds are together and then all the 9-year-olds are together.

But the healthiest is what you just said. And so my point is everyone before the millennials had this childhood. Millennials are the transitional generation. So you are on the elder side. You got it. Even though the rates are microscopic in this country and even though crime was plummeting in this country in the 90s, that's the decade. And you can see it in the charts.

But the healthiest is what you just said. And so my point is everyone before the millennials had this childhood. Millennials are the transitional generation. So you are on the elder side. You got it. Even though the rates are microscopic in this country and even though crime was plummeting in this country in the 90s, that's the decade. And you can see it in the charts.

That's the decade when we really pulled our kids in. We thought they'll get abducted. We can't let them go in a different aisle of a supermarket or a man with a white vest. I mean, all this crazy stuff comes in in the 90s.

That's the decade when we really pulled our kids in. We thought they'll get abducted. We can't let them go in a different aisle of a supermarket or a man with a white vest. I mean, all this crazy stuff comes in in the 90s.

That's right. There's this weird graph that I have in the book. which shows the number of hours that women spend in parenting, you know, what you would consider time with your kid doing something. And the astonishing thing is that in the 50s, 60s, 70s, women were not spending five hours a day parenting because the kids were raised the way that you just said.

That's right. There's this weird graph that I have in the book. which shows the number of hours that women spend in parenting, you know, what you would consider time with your kid doing something. And the astonishing thing is that in the 50s, 60s, 70s, women were not spending five hours a day parenting because the kids were raised the way that you just said.

It's not the parent's job to socialize the child all along. It's the parent's job to provide the right environment, to provide certain kinds of moral frameworks. But the real work of brain development doesn't happen when you're with your parents. Your parents are home base. They're your attachment figure. When you feel securely attached, then you go off and explore. And that's the mammal way.

It's not the parent's job to socialize the child all along. It's the parent's job to provide the right environment, to provide certain kinds of moral frameworks. But the real work of brain development doesn't happen when you're with your parents. Your parents are home base. They're your attachment figure. When you feel securely attached, then you go off and explore. And that's the mammal way.

That's what other mammals do. You go off progressively further from your home base, and that's where the learning happens. It's playing kickball, trying to decide, what do we do today? Oh, he broke the rules.

That's what other mammals do. You go off progressively further from your home base, and that's where the learning happens. It's playing kickball, trying to decide, what do we do today? Oh, he broke the rules.

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