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The Ezra Klein Show

‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

01 Apr 2025

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What sparked the debate over Jonathan Haidt's book?

5.495 - 40.197 Ezra Klein

From New York Times Opinion, this is The Ezra Klein Show. In March of last year, the social psychologist Jonathan Haidt published this book called The Anxious Generation, which caused, let's call it, a stir.

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40.497 - 47.743 Unknown Contributor

The subtitle of this book says it all. How the great rewiring of childhood is causing an epidemic of mental illness.

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47.783 - 51.746 Jonathan Haidt

I don't think anybody can dispute that. What he says is controversial.

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51.986 - 60.528 Unknown Contributor

Oh my God, enough with the panic about kids using smartphones. Facing enormous pushback from other researchers. You cannot disentangle cause from effect.

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60.628 - 84.483 Ezra Klein

Jonathan Haidt is telling a scary story that many parents are primed to believe. I always found the conversation over this book a little annoying because it got to me. at one of the difficulties we're having parenting, one of the difficulties we're having in society, which is this tendency to instrumentalize everything into social science.

85.183 - 107.605 Ezra Klein

Unless I can show you on a chart the way something is bad, we have almost no language for saying it's bad. It is to me a collapse in our sense of what a good life is, what it means to flourish as a human being. And so I stayed a bit out of that debate because on the one hand, I couldn't settle it. And on the other hand, I didn't think I should come in and say it wasn't important.

109.006 - 122.98 Ezra Klein

We're a year later, though, and two things have happened. One is Heitz's book has never left the bestseller list. That is rare. It has struck a chord. The other is that policy is moving in Heitz's direction.

123.513 - 128.142 Unknown Contributor

Well, the governor of Utah has signed a sweeping bill to limit children's access to social media.

128.282 - 133.271 Ezra Klein

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has signed one of the most restrictive social media laws in the country.

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