Jonathan Haidt

You're the only kid. The other kids are going to make fun of you. You're going to be left out. So that's a very painful choice and most parents don't make it. And so it ends up that all the kids have a smartphone. It's now going down into elementary school. So your girls are how old now? 10 and 12. Do they have any kind of phone?

You're the only kid. The other kids are going to make fun of you. You're going to be left out. So that's a very painful choice and most parents don't make it. And so it ends up that all the kids have a smartphone. It's now going down into elementary school. So your girls are how old now? 10 and 12. Do they have any kind of phone?

It does not happen. Tell me what they do after school and on weekends. Are they seeing friends or are they in after school programs the whole time?

It does not happen. Tell me what they do after school and on weekends. Are they seeing friends or are they in after school programs the whole time?

It does not happen. Tell me what they do after school and on weekends. Are they seeing friends or are they in after school programs the whole time?

Are there any other kids that they're doing this with or are they the only free range kids and everyone else is overprotected?

Are there any other kids that they're doing this with or are they the only free range kids and everyone else is overprotected?

Are there any other kids that they're doing this with or are they the only free range kids and everyone else is overprotected?

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Good.

Good.

Fantastic. Do they see them on a weekly basis? They see them nonstop. That's it. Okay, good. So let me return to the four norms and then we'll come back to this because the way to break out of this trap where we've got 10 year olds wasting their lives away, scrolling through TikTok and Instagram, four norms, no smartphone before high school.

Fantastic. Do they see them on a weekly basis? They see them nonstop. That's it. Okay, good. So let me return to the four norms and then we'll come back to this because the way to break out of this trap where we've got 10 year olds wasting their lives away, scrolling through TikTok and Instagram, four norms, no smartphone before high school.

Fantastic. Do they see them on a weekly basis? They see them nonstop. That's it. Okay, good. So let me return to the four norms and then we'll come back to this because the way to break out of this trap where we've got 10 year olds wasting their lives away, scrolling through TikTok and Instagram, four norms, no smartphone before high school.

Just give them a flip phone, a basic phone, a phone watch, let them text with their friends. No social media before 16. Social media is wildly inappropriate for kids. Sex, the violence, the addiction, the drug sales on Snap and other things. Third norm is phone-free schools. It's completely insane. When we were kids, you couldn't bring your television into class and watch TV during class.

Just give them a flip phone, a basic phone, a phone watch, let them text with their friends. No social media before 16. Social media is wildly inappropriate for kids. Sex, the violence, the addiction, the drug sales on Snap and other things. Third norm is phone-free schools. It's completely insane. When we were kids, you couldn't bring your television into class and watch TV during class.

Just give them a flip phone, a basic phone, a phone watch, let them text with their friends. No social media before 16. Social media is wildly inappropriate for kids. Sex, the violence, the addiction, the drug sales on Snap and other things. Third norm is phone-free schools. It's completely insane. When we were kids, you couldn't bring your television into class and watch TV during class.

Yeah, that's right. With your TiVo and electric guitar and everything else. So it's phone-free schools. That's got to happen. It's happening fast. It's going to happen here in California statewide. Oh, that's great. And then the fourth norm is far more independence, responsibility, and freedom in the real world.

Yeah, that's right. With your TiVo and electric guitar and everything else. So it's phone-free schools. That's got to happen. It's happening fast. It's going to happen here in California statewide. Oh, that's great. And then the fourth norm is far more independence, responsibility, and freedom in the real world.

Yeah, that's right. With your TiVo and electric guitar and everything else. So it's phone-free schools. That's got to happen. It's happening fast. It's going to happen here in California statewide. Oh, that's great. And then the fourth norm is far more independence, responsibility, and freedom in the real world.