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Jonathan Haidt

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All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview

So of course the October 7th, the massacre was horrific. The Israeli response has produced horrific suffering and death. Yes, it's normal and expectable that there would be debates on a college campus. And nobody that I know of is saying people shouldn't be protesting in favor of the Palestinians.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview

So of course the October 7th, the massacre was horrific. The Israeli response has produced horrific suffering and death. Yes, it's normal and expectable that there would be debates on a college campus. And nobody that I know of is saying people shouldn't be protesting in favor of the Palestinians.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview

But the question is really about the encampments and other efforts to disrupt the functioning of the university, to pressure the university to make a statement pro-Palestine or anti-Israel or to divest from Israel. So this is the use of intimidation and disruption, which... They allowed for nine years before.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview

But the question is really about the encampments and other efforts to disrupt the functioning of the university, to pressure the university to make a statement pro-Palestine or anti-Israel or to divest from Israel. So this is the use of intimidation and disruption, which... They allowed for nine years before.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview

They said since 2015, as long as you're protesting for social justice, you can do whatever the hell you want. We're not gonna punish you for anything. So now this sort of the intersectional social justice protests that are pro-Palestine and often anti-Israel and often shading anti-Semitism, the presidents don't know what to say.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview

They said since 2015, as long as you're protesting for social justice, you can do whatever the hell you want. We're not gonna punish you for anything. So now this sort of the intersectional social justice protests that are pro-Palestine and often anti-Israel and often shading anti-Semitism, the presidents don't know what to say.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview

And that was the spectacle we observed on December 5th in that house hearing room of the three presidents who could not explain why it was against their policies for people to call for death to the Jews. Like, they couldn't, they had been so tied in a knot with their hypocrisy, they couldn't even explain it. So yeah, there's a very direct continuity.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview

And that was the spectacle we observed on December 5th in that house hearing room of the three presidents who could not explain why it was against their policies for people to call for death to the Jews. Like, they couldn't, they had been so tied in a knot with their hypocrisy, they couldn't even explain it. So yeah, there's a very direct continuity.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview

That's right, exactly.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview

That's right, exactly.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview

No, good. No, that's right. And that's another point of continuity from the coddling. So the central idea of the coddling was that there are three great untruths, ideas that are so bad that if any young person believes all three, they're almost certain to be depressed, anxious, not amount to much in life. And those three are what doesn't kill you makes you weaker.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview

No, good. No, that's right. And that's another point of continuity from the coddling. So the central idea of the coddling was that there are three great untruths, ideas that are so bad that if any young person believes all three, they're almost certain to be depressed, anxious, not amount to much in life. And those three are what doesn't kill you makes you weaker.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview

So avoid stressful experiences, avoid speakers who are going to say things that you hate. Don't expose yourself. Always trust your feelings. Your feelings are right. If you feel offended by something, someone has offended you and someone has to do something about it. Someone has to punish that person.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview

So avoid stressful experiences, avoid speakers who are going to say things that you hate. Don't expose yourself. Always trust your feelings. Your feelings are right. If you feel offended by something, someone has offended you and someone has to do something about it. Someone has to punish that person.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview

And the third, to your point about duality, is life is a battle between good people and evil people. And this is the distortion that's caused the most human misery. I mean, this is a normal thing people do. This is part of being a tribal species. We're very, very good at coming together to say our side has been hurt or cheated or defiled by their side. They're the evil ones. They're perfectly bad.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview

And the third, to your point about duality, is life is a battle between good people and evil people. And this is the distortion that's caused the most human misery. I mean, this is a normal thing people do. This is part of being a tribal species. We're very, very good at coming together to say our side has been hurt or cheated or defiled by their side. They're the evil ones. They're perfectly bad.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview

We're perfectly good. So it's that third distortion is really the most pernicious from a societal level. Now, what you just said before about the haves and the have-nots, that's what the left used to be about from the time of Marx or the French Revolution even until the 1950s or 60s, it was about the haves versus the have-nots.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview

We're perfectly good. So it's that third distortion is really the most pernicious from a societal level. Now, what you just said before about the haves and the have-nots, that's what the left used to be about from the time of Marx or the French Revolution even until the 1950s or 60s, it was about the haves versus the have-nots.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview

And the left was the one that stood up for the have-nots and the left stood up for the poor and the people. But we go through a period in the 60s and 70s of the conversion away from a sort of a Marxist idea based on economics to something, is it a little bit Marx? Is it Michel Foucault? There's different intellectual heritages here where now it's all about power.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview

And the left was the one that stood up for the have-nots and the left stood up for the poor and the people. But we go through a period in the 60s and 70s of the conversion away from a sort of a Marxist idea based on economics to something, is it a little bit Marx? Is it Michel Foucault? There's different intellectual heritages here where now it's all about power.