All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
Wed, 10 Jul 2024
(0:00) New format: The All-In Interview! (0:59) Jonathan Haidt joins Jason and Friedberg: broader themes of his work, gamification and supercharged social media (12:39) Understanding how humans are wired from an evolutionary biology perspective (27:22) Haidt's proposals to help younger generations (33:12) Linking themes and trends in Haidt's books with recent college protests (48:17) Explaining traditional liberalism and conservatism (56:55) Lightning Round: Parenting tips, Gen Z employees Jonathan's website: https://jonathanhaidt.com Buy The Anxious Generation: https://www.anxiousgeneration.com/book Follow the besties: https://twitter.com/chamath https://twitter.com/Jason https://twitter.com/DavidSacks https://twitter.com/friedberg Follow on X: https://twitter.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@all_in_tok Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://twitter.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://twitter.com/TheZachEffect Referenced in the show: https://www.anxiousgeneration.com/take-action https://www.azquotes.com/quote/1385350 https://www.azquotes.com/quote/926752 https://www.thecoddling.com/chapter-1-antifragility https://www.anxiousgeneration.com https://www.afterbabel.com https://letgrow.org
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I think that was another epic discussion. People love the interviews. I could hear him talk for hours. Absolutely.
We crushed your questions. Admit it. We are giving people ground truth data to underwrite your own opinion. What do you guys think? That was fun. That was great.
All right, everybody, welcome back to the all in podcast. We're trying something new today. You all love when we do interviews. You love the great content that came out of the all in summit. But you also want to not miss an episode of the four of us talking about the news of the week. So today, we are doing our first episode of what we're calling the all in interview. What is the all in interview?
Well, it's two of us interviewing one guest as opposed to 4v1, which is quite unfair sometimes and a little bit unruly. And so we're planning on doing these as an experiment, maybe 10 times a year. Since we know you love interviews, and today we are really excited because we have Jonathan Haidt with us. He is a fearless author of some really amazing books. Freeberg, you have read all four of them.
I have read two of them. So why don't you give us your take on these four books, Dave, and then we'll kick it off to John.
It's great to have you, John. Thanks for joining us. I know you've done a lot of media lately, and a lot of it has focused on the anxious generation, which has obviously got some really important topical conversations embedded within it and that people are now having because of it. I first read the happiness hypothesis years ago.
In fact, in one of our first episodes of the All In pod back in 2020, I referenced it and I referenced some material from the happiness hypothesis. my general take on the themes of your work is evolutionary biology meets modernity. Does that sound like a reasonable take that the nature of the human being in a modern age causes these really
interesting kind of points of tension and conflict and behavioral shifts that maybe are undesirable or that are different than what we've had as a species in the past. And so much of like how we're wired, how our brains work in the context of modern technology, modern society is causing some behavioral system changes that maybe are a bit scary. Does that sound like a fair way to describe the art?
If you can just do two terms, I'd say evolutionary biology meets the problems of modernity.
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