Jonathan Haidt

But the way they phrased it, the way they just – they just tried to make it seem like that was the only thing that he was talking about.

I get it.

But what you're saying is that these people are good people, but that they are ideologically captured?

Is that what you're saying?

Is the issue that the reasonable people are afraid of pushing back against the radical people?

Yes, exactly.

Because there really are consequences in terms.

And the result of that in terms of people terrified about people attacking them is what you get when you got those people from Penn, from Harvard.

We're talking about the this rampant anti-Semitism on campus where people were actively calling for the death of Jews, saying that this does not constitute harassment unless it's actionable, which is just stunning.

It's insane.

What is that like as a person when you are an academic and you are a professor, when you see that from these, especially from somewhere like Harvard?

It wasn't just from the river to the sea.

It was the literal expression, death to Jews.

And that's what they were specifically defending, saying unless it's actionable, which is insane.

Unless you commit actual genocide?

Is that what you're saying?

I think it was a wake-up call for a lot of people that are kind of on the fence about how big the issue is.

Yeah.

Because these are the same people that call for you being kicked out of the university if you deadname someone.

These are the same people that if you use the wrong pronouns.