Jonathan Haidt

Which is an amazing thing to fight against.

Well, it's also the most important aspect of an open and free society is the ability to debate things.

And find out who's right or whose ideas resonate the most.

Who makes the most sense?

Who has thought about this first?

further and who has the more enlightened and educated perspective, who has more information, who has more balance.

That's right.

Well, I hope you're correct.

And I do agree that the pushback was so extreme that some action is likely to take place.

I think the first step of that has got to be to allow people with differing perspectives to debate and not shout them down.

And also to show that that shouting people down and setting off fire alarms is shameful.

It's disgraceful.

That's what we have to get to.

Well, that's great because you're on the ground.

So you would really understand more than most.

And do you sense that with students there's also recognition that this is a gigantic issue?

Like what was the reaction to students?

I mean, not specifically Jewish students, but Jewish students must have been the most horrified by this.

That's so important what you just said and I think that if those programs gain momentum and that people recognize that it's really beneficial to all to have these ideas debated.

If you truly believe that opposing ideas to your ideology are evil, you should be able to debate those.