Jonathan Haidt

Yes, it was.

Thank you.

That's exactly what it was.

That's right.

Mayor Bloomberg gave it a try, but that was before smartphones.

And there was some resistance.

But now smartphones are so much more of a nuisance and everybody sees you can't have kids and smartphones together in school or there's no point.

You're not going to learn.

So phone-free schools is the third norm.

And then the fourth norm is far more independence, free play, and responsibility in the real world.

And that's what we've been talking about.

So if you do those four things, now your kid isn't even on a smartphone until they're 14.

They're not on social media until 16.

They go most of the way through puberty, talking to other kids, talking to them in school, playing soccer at lunch.

So this is the way we roll back the phone-based childhood.

Oh, Chuck, wait, wait.

Chuck, if they're laughing together synchronously, like they're at, that's great.

That's great.

That's actual social interaction.

When we were kids, you talked on the phone.