Jonathan Haidt

But if we do these four things at the same time, we roll back the phone-based child, and here they are.

One, no smartphone before high school.

Do not give your kid a smartphone as the first phone.

Let them get most of it through puberty before you hook them up permanently to a screen in their face.

Flip phones are fine.

Phone watches are fine.

No smartphone before high school.

Yeah, or, you know, there's all kinds of basic phones that they can even have some apps.

They just don't have social media.

They don't have internet access.

Second norm, no social media before 16.

Now here, it would really help to have a law, but a lot of us are trying to do it just as a norm.

It's like, okay, you've got your smartphone, but if I catch you, if you have Instagram on that phone, you are losing it for a month.

It's very, very serious.

You do not let kids, especially girls, have Instagram before they're 16.

Third norm, phone-free schools.

It is completely insane that until basically last month, kids all over the country were watching videos and TikTok and watching porn during class.

So you just hide the phone in a book and lunchrooms are quiet, hallways are quiet for years now, because everyone's on their phone.

And schools are waking up, me and my team, we've really been pushing phone-free schools legislation.

That might have been back in the Bloomberg days.