Jonathan Haidt

And the way I would kind of frame that is,

instead of renouncing, you know, saying, I'm going to get it off my device and I'm going to check on a desktop, which is great.

There's little kind of tweaks that we could do because my approach is to foster that sense of empowerment in someone to help them make positive change.

And so one strategy that you could use, if you are saying, there's no way I'm getting rid of my, I'm not deleting these apps from my phone, right?

If you're

By the way, I practice what I preach and I really don't engage in technology to the best of my ability.

But one thing that you could do is grayscale your phone.

And so especially at night, like it's 9 p.m., like we talked about revenge, bedtime, procrastination.

You know that you're going to do it.

You're going to sit down or you're going to scroll before you know it.

It's 2 a.m.

Instead, grayscale your phone.

This is a simple switch.

You can toggle it.

I have my phone set to grayscale, which simply means that you're getting rid of your color, making it black and white.

And so when it is grayscaled, then you, you know, it doesn't have that same addictive quality to it.

It's like going through a grocery store.

A marketing executive described it this way to me.

Going through a grocery store, instead of the Technicolor junk food cereal, it's just black and white.

So you have a less, there's a greater sense of compulsion to continue checkings.