Jonathan Kieperman (Lomez)

Yes. So this is actually this is a really interesting question. And of course, it's worth addressing. And I think all the things you said can simultaneously be true. And I think there's a fourth point I want to add here, which is sort of historically contextual. We started this conversation by trying to.

Yes. So this is actually this is a really interesting question. And of course, it's worth addressing. And I think all the things you said can simultaneously be true. And I think there's a fourth point I want to add here, which is sort of historically contextual. We started this conversation by trying to.

think back to where this current sort of moment of our cultural, social, intellectual, ideological path began. And we identified somewhere in the 2010s. Now, everything I'm about to talk about has precursors, but something else happens here around like 2012. And maybe you identify the Trayvon Martin case into 2013, 2014.

think back to where this current sort of moment of our cultural, social, intellectual, ideological path began. And we identified somewhere in the 2010s. Now, everything I'm about to talk about has precursors, but something else happens here around like 2012. And maybe you identify the Trayvon Martin case into 2013, 2014.

Certainly there's the Michael Brown hands up, don't shoot, Black Lives Matter. Simultaneously that we have a kind of a discussion happening in this country around immigration and what would happen to this country if we started allowing people in from all over the world. Is everybody the same from everywhere?

Certainly there's the Michael Brown hands up, don't shoot, Black Lives Matter. Simultaneously that we have a kind of a discussion happening in this country around immigration and what would happen to this country if we started allowing people in from all over the world. Is everybody the same from everywhere?

And if we're going to have a sort of pluralistic democracy, what does that look like in a future where it's not a non-white, predominantly white country? These are legitimate things to think about. A lot of people didn't want us having these conversations previously. But then what happens in 2013, 14 and then scales up over the course of the 2010s is this insistence.

And if we're going to have a sort of pluralistic democracy, what does that look like in a future where it's not a non-white, predominantly white country? These are legitimate things to think about. A lot of people didn't want us having these conversations previously. But then what happens in 2013, 14 and then scales up over the course of the 2010s is this insistence.

And again, I think this is important coming from the left that we have our moment of racial reckoning. OK, so a bunch of people then are being asked to have a difficult conversation about race and the prevailing view that

And again, I think this is important coming from the left that we have our moment of racial reckoning. OK, so a bunch of people then are being asked to have a difficult conversation about race and the prevailing view that

which is taken on by the New York Times, by academia by and large, is that any differences and outcomes among people can be ascribed to this infinitely amorphous, non-falsifiable, infinitely pervasive thing called systemic racism. And this is, if not intentionally, de facto the fault of the white population in the country. So the question then is, is that true?

which is taken on by the New York Times, by academia by and large, is that any differences and outcomes among people can be ascribed to this infinitely amorphous, non-falsifiable, infinitely pervasive thing called systemic racism. And this is, if not intentionally, de facto the fault of the white population in the country. So the question then is, is that true?

Are we allowed to look at the actual causes of why these discrepancies exist? And it just is the case that when you look at these differences, they are not attributable to white racism. You can actually identify causes. So I think a lot of young people online who are finding themselves getting the short end of the stick on these this new regime. Right. of DEI are reacting to it in kind.

Are we allowed to look at the actual causes of why these discrepancies exist? And it just is the case that when you look at these differences, they are not attributable to white racism. You can actually identify causes. So I think a lot of young people online who are finding themselves getting the short end of the stick on these this new regime. Right. of DEI are reacting to it in kind.

And so a lot of this kind of racialized conversation is a response, is an answer to the insistence that all of these differences are white people's fault. Right.

And so a lot of this kind of racialized conversation is a response, is an answer to the insistence that all of these differences are white people's fault. Right.

OK, well, that's in theory.

OK, well, that's in theory.

No. So this is a very easy question for me to answer. And the answer is yes, I would publish it on the assumption that it has a kind of literary value that is independent from these objections you have to these racial caricatures. So have you seen Who Framed Roger Rabbit? The movie, yes. Yeah, the movie. Okay. Yes.

No. So this is a very easy question for me to answer. And the answer is yes, I would publish it on the assumption that it has a kind of literary value that is independent from these objections you have to these racial caricatures. So have you seen Who Framed Roger Rabbit? The movie, yes. Yeah, the movie. Okay. Yes.