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Jonathan Ross

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The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Does the West have to adopt a more theft on attitude? I really hope not. Like that's just like viscerally disgusting to me. I'm like literally repulsed by the idea.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

And then everyone is taking steroids. Whereas if no one was taking it, then everyone's healthier and you have a real competition. Yeah, it's a real problem. And the question is, can governments get involved? Here's the thing. I would love nothing more than to compete directly with Chinese companies on a fair footing. They have really smart people. DeepSeek has proven this. Really smart people.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

And then everyone is taking steroids. Whereas if no one was taking it, then everyone's healthier and you have a real competition. Yeah, it's a real problem. And the question is, can governments get involved? Here's the thing. I would love nothing more than to compete directly with Chinese companies on a fair footing. They have really smart people. DeepSeek has proven this. Really smart people.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

And then everyone is taking steroids. Whereas if no one was taking it, then everyone's healthier and you have a real competition. Yeah, it's a real problem. And the question is, can governments get involved? Here's the thing. I would love nothing more than to compete directly with Chinese companies on a fair footing. They have really smart people. DeepSeek has proven this. Really smart people.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

But when the government keeps putting its thumb on the scale, we're going to try and avoid that competition wherever we can. And now there's no avoiding it. Maybe the governments just have to get involved.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

But when the government keeps putting its thumb on the scale, we're going to try and avoid that competition wherever we can. And now there's no avoiding it. Maybe the governments just have to get involved.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

But when the government keeps putting its thumb on the scale, we're going to try and avoid that competition wherever we can. And now there's no avoiding it. Maybe the governments just have to get involved.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Okay, and it gets worse than that. China has a lot of advantages. The chief advantage is the number of people they have. Now, number of people is not sufficient. So you also have India. And India has an advantage from the number of people, but China has out-executed. In fact, India was asking China for some time to help build out the roads and infrastructure. They've really mastered that, right?

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Okay, and it gets worse than that. China has a lot of advantages. The chief advantage is the number of people they have. Now, number of people is not sufficient. So you also have India. And India has an advantage from the number of people, but China has out-executed. In fact, India was asking China for some time to help build out the roads and infrastructure. They've really mastered that, right?

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Okay, and it gets worse than that. China has a lot of advantages. The chief advantage is the number of people they have. Now, number of people is not sufficient. So you also have India. And India has an advantage from the number of people, but China has out-executed. In fact, India was asking China for some time to help build out the roads and infrastructure. They've really mastered that, right?

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

But people and sort of organization, discipline, alignment, right? And so what is the concern with AI? The concern with AI is, What if an LP or GPU becomes the equivalent of a contributor to the workforce? And you could literally just add more to the GDP by creating more chips and providing more power. Now, if that becomes the case, does China's advantage erode?

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

But people and sort of organization, discipline, alignment, right? And so what is the concern with AI? The concern with AI is, What if an LP or GPU becomes the equivalent of a contributor to the workforce? And you could literally just add more to the GDP by creating more chips and providing more power. Now, if that becomes the case, does China's advantage erode?

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

But people and sort of organization, discipline, alignment, right? And so what is the concern with AI? The concern with AI is, What if an LP or GPU becomes the equivalent of a contributor to the workforce? And you could literally just add more to the GDP by creating more chips and providing more power. Now, if that becomes the case, does China's advantage erode?

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

They're concerned that in terms of workforce, the US could catch up, the West could catch up. And then at the same time, they have a huge population advantage. And this is why I so much want for Europe to get into the fight on AI. There's 500 million people who could be jumping into this.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

They're concerned that in terms of workforce, the US could catch up, the West could catch up. And then at the same time, they have a huge population advantage. And this is why I so much want for Europe to get into the fight on AI. There's 500 million people who could be jumping into this.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

They're concerned that in terms of workforce, the US could catch up, the West could catch up. And then at the same time, they have a huge population advantage. And this is why I so much want for Europe to get into the fight on AI. There's 500 million people who could be jumping into this.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

So have you ever seen Station F?

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

So have you ever seen Station F?

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

So have you ever seen Station F?

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

So I would say by the end of this year, you should have 100 station Fs. And by the end of next year, you should have 1,000. Done. So what you're doing is you're collecting up 3,000 people and surrounding them with other risk-taking entrepreneurs. And then they're supporting each other. They're risk on. And when you surround yourself with other people who are risk on, you're going to be risk on.