Jonathan Swan

She's got really powerful allies like Tucker Carlson. And Trump just likes her. From all accounts, she's a very personable person and there's a chemistry there. So she's a little different. I wouldn't put her in the same category as Kash Patel, who is a much sort of more precise instrument than Tulsi Gabbard.

Well, that's a part of it. But the other part of it is that Mitch McConnell and others might decide to take an ideological stand against her and feel safer doing that. To say, you know what, we're going to try and... quixotically hang on to this vestige of the Republican Party as internationalist in outlook, hawkish on foreign policy. Views Russia as an enemy.

Well, that's a part of it. But the other part of it is that Mitch McConnell and others might decide to take an ideological stand against her and feel safer doing that. To say, you know what, we're going to try and... quixotically hang on to this vestige of the Republican Party as internationalist in outlook, hawkish on foreign policy. Views Russia as an enemy.

Standing up to Russia, et cetera, et cetera. And maybe, you know, all it needs is four senators, you know, to oppose him. Maybe Collins, Murkowski, McConnell, pick one more. But she may get through as well, even though many, many more than four – I know this because I've talked to them – think she's completely unacceptable for that role, but are going to dutifully vote yes nonetheless.

Standing up to Russia, et cetera, et cetera. And maybe, you know, all it needs is four senators, you know, to oppose him. Maybe Collins, Murkowski, McConnell, pick one more. But she may get through as well, even though many, many more than four – I know this because I've talked to them – think she's completely unacceptable for that role, but are going to dutifully vote yes nonetheless.

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Well, he's immensely powerful. I could make a case that he is one of, if not the most powerful, unelected people in America right now. He is Donald Trump's deputy chief of staff for policy, which, you know, may not sound that impressive, but to take all the jargon away, he is in charge of domestic policy. Full stop.

Well, he's immensely powerful. I could make a case that he is one of, if not the most powerful, unelected people in America right now. He is Donald Trump's deputy chief of staff for policy, which, you know, may not sound that impressive, but to take all the jargon away, he is in charge of domestic policy. Full stop.

So many of the executive orders that you've seen Donald Trump's sign with his sharpie in his first week in office were the work of Stephen Miller. Okay.

So many of the executive orders that you've seen Donald Trump's sign with his sharpie in his first week in office were the work of Stephen Miller. Okay.

That's a big one. And Miller's vision that he's articulated for decades is now translated into these executive actions.

That's a big one. And Miller's vision that he's articulated for decades is now translated into these executive actions.

Well, he actually came to these beliefs very early on. Stephen Miller was talking about this populist nationalist stuff As a child, he grew up in Santa Monica in California in the 90s. He grew up in a fairly comfortable Jewish family. He was at this liberal high school. And he was this provocateur.

Well, he actually came to these beliefs very early on. Stephen Miller was talking about this populist nationalist stuff As a child, he grew up in Santa Monica in California in the 90s. He grew up in a fairly comfortable Jewish family. He was at this liberal high school. And he was this provocateur.

He was already attacking the left and making controversial anti-immigrant statements when he was in high school. And so much so that his classmates made a documentary about him singling him out as a future politician. and he runs for student government.

He was already attacking the left and making controversial anti-immigrant statements when he was in high school. And so much so that his classmates made a documentary about him singling him out as a future politician. and he runs for student government.

And when I heard what he said, I was outraged because that shows... Campaigning on the kids' rights to leave a mess so that the janitors should pick up their trash because they're paid to do so. Wow.

And when I heard what he said, I was outraged because that shows... Campaigning on the kids' rights to leave a mess so that the janitors should pick up their trash because they're paid to do so. Wow.

He complained about the school's Spanish language announcements, complained about, you know, the colourful festivals of minority cultures and described this decline, as he saw it, of a more traditional version of American education.