Jonathan Swan

Yeah, and if you take him at his word, which is that he thinks this is necessary and that the U.S. economy needs this kind of quote-unquote medicine, the patient is very sick and it needs this medicine, and it's going to be rocky a little bit, but at the end of the tunnel is the rainbow.

He's not saying any different privately than he's saying publicly, so you have to conclude that it's something that he's serious about. And that business community that you speak of, that Andrew was talking about,

He's not saying any different privately than he's saying publicly, so you have to conclude that it's something that he's serious about. And that business community that you speak of, that Andrew was talking about,

I've had innumerable conversations over the last three years with people in the business community and their consultants who sort of glibly and knowingly use cliches like, you've got to take Trump seriously, not literally. It's all just garbage. It's like, at this point, what are you even talking about?

I've had innumerable conversations over the last three years with people in the business community and their consultants who sort of glibly and knowingly use cliches like, you've got to take Trump seriously, not literally. It's all just garbage. It's like, at this point, what are you even talking about?

I understand why on this issue people were talking like that because all the evidence you had was what he did in his first term and it was much narrower. But at this point, you know, I think people are waking up to the idea that maybe we also need to take him quite literally with much of what he says. And quite literally, on tariffs.

I understand why on this issue people were talking like that because all the evidence you had was what he did in his first term and it was much narrower. But at this point, you know, I think people are waking up to the idea that maybe we also need to take him quite literally with much of what he says. And quite literally, on tariffs.

So if there's ever a subject to take Donald Trump literally about, it's tariffs.

So if there's ever a subject to take Donald Trump literally about, it's tariffs.

It was contentious from the very beginning.

It was contentious from the very beginning.

It was contentious from the very beginning.

Early in the speech, Democratic Representative Al Green of Texas stood up and started heckling Trump. He was waving his cane in the air.

Early in the speech, Democratic Representative Al Green of Texas stood up and started heckling Trump. He was waving his cane in the air.

Early in the speech, Democratic Representative Al Green of Texas stood up and started heckling Trump. He was waving his cane in the air.

And after multiple warnings from the speaker to be quiet, to respect the quorum, he just refused to sit down. He continued yelling.

And after multiple warnings from the speaker to be quiet, to respect the quorum, he just refused to sit down. He continued yelling.

And after multiple warnings from the speaker to be quiet, to respect the quorum, he just refused to sit down. He continued yelling.

And he was escorted out. Trump seemed to almost be energized by the Democratic opposition, and he goaded Democrats throughout the night.

And he was escorted out. Trump seemed to almost be energized by the Democratic opposition, and he goaded Democrats throughout the night.