Jonathan Swanson

But I certainly recommend to anyone who has a chance to kind of work without a calendar for even a little bit.

It's a beautiful thing.

Yeah, so there's a hierarchy of how you delegate.

And most people delegate with their thumbs on their phone, worst way.

Kind of better than that is to delegate with all your fingers on email.

But the best way to delegate is by voice, where instead of typing things, you voice note.

And I tried for a year just delegating almost exclusively through voice.

And voice is way more powerful than other mechanisms of delegating because you can talk three to five times faster than you can type.

You can do it between meetings, in an Uber, at the gym.

Yeah, and to the point of how do you give better feedback, the way you give better feedback is you do it by voice.

Because if you have to type up a page of notes, you're just not going to do it.

But if you can just be like, hey, here's what I liked, and you talk about it as you walk in the park, you can talk all day long.

Yeah, I think it takes some training to learn to delegate by voice.

Some people are a little uncomfortable with it.

But if you look at the top delegators at Athena, they all delegate by voice constantly, just all day long.

So the first thing I tried, you know, there's this time app on your phone that just shares how much time you're in different apps.

Weak source.

I tried using that.

It's just useless.

And so the experiment that worked for me was when I went to buy a new phone, I kept my old phone and I downgraded it to what I call my freedom phone.