Jonathan V. Last

And there are people who give Trump a pass because they think he's somehow authentic and maybe less corrupt than the others, or he's already super rich. Wolf in wolf's clothing. Yeah, a wolf in wolf's clothing. Exactly. But you remember here, the goal of this campaign is not to win MAGA voters because that's hopeless.

This country is basically, you know, you got 40 to 45% of the country that's just going to vote for the Democrat or for the Republican, no matter who that person is. What you're going after are those votes in the middle that you can get. And those are people who think that Trump is somehow authentic. And corruption can drive a wedge there by saying, no, this guy isn't for you.

This country is basically, you know, you got 40 to 45% of the country that's just going to vote for the Democrat or for the Republican, no matter who that person is. What you're going after are those votes in the middle that you can get. And those are people who think that Trump is somehow authentic. And corruption can drive a wedge there by saying, no, this guy isn't for you.

This country is basically, you know, you got 40 to 45% of the country that's just going to vote for the Democrat or for the Republican, no matter who that person is. What you're going after are those votes in the middle that you can get. And those are people who think that Trump is somehow authentic. And corruption can drive a wedge there by saying, no, this guy isn't for you.

This guy's for himself. He's turning the whole government into something for himself. And what you want to do, I mean, Sarah said this many times, but she's right. What you want to do is drive his approvals into the 30s and keep him there. And I think corruption is your best bet for doing that as an overarching message. Am I wrong?

This guy's for himself. He's turning the whole government into something for himself. And what you want to do, I mean, Sarah said this many times, but she's right. What you want to do is drive his approvals into the 30s and keep him there. And I think corruption is your best bet for doing that as an overarching message. Am I wrong?

This guy's for himself. He's turning the whole government into something for himself. And what you want to do, I mean, Sarah said this many times, but she's right. What you want to do is drive his approvals into the 30s and keep him there. And I think corruption is your best bet for doing that as an overarching message. Am I wrong?

You know, there are ways to tell these stories like recession is because of his corrupt trade deals. You know, he's raising tariffs in order to make deals that put money in his pocket. And it's caused a recession and we're in trouble. You know, stuff like that. Recession for everybody except Jared and the Trump kids.

You know, there are ways to tell these stories like recession is because of his corrupt trade deals. You know, he's raising tariffs in order to make deals that put money in his pocket. And it's caused a recession and we're in trouble. You know, stuff like that. Recession for everybody except Jared and the Trump kids.

You know, there are ways to tell these stories like recession is because of his corrupt trade deals. You know, he's raising tariffs in order to make deals that put money in his pocket. And it's caused a recession and we're in trouble. You know, stuff like that. Recession for everybody except Jared and the Trump kids.

Well, cynicism is welcome. I understand. I come from exactly the same place. This book is an apology for the dumbest thing I ever wrote, which was in The Atlantic in 2003. I celebrated secularization and the fading of religion as a force in American life.

Well, cynicism is welcome. I understand. I come from exactly the same place. This book is an apology for the dumbest thing I ever wrote, which was in The Atlantic in 2003. I celebrated secularization and the fading of religion as a force in American life.

Well, cynicism is welcome. I understand. I come from exactly the same place. This book is an apology for the dumbest thing I ever wrote, which was in The Atlantic in 2003. I celebrated secularization and the fading of religion as a force in American life.

I mean, congrats. Well, I also wrote in The Atlantic in 2015 that Donald Trump would never be president. Okay. So, I think my take on religion was even dumber than that, but you choose. All right.

I mean, congrats. Well, I also wrote in The Atlantic in 2015 that Donald Trump would never be president. Okay. So, I think my take on religion was even dumber than that, but you choose. All right.

I mean, congrats. Well, I also wrote in The Atlantic in 2015 that Donald Trump would never be president. Okay. So, I think my take on religion was even dumber than that, but you choose. All right.

Yeah, okay. So I said, isn't it great that Americans are just losing interest in religion? And, you know, religion is the most divisive and dogmatic force out there, and we'll be like Scandinavia, and we'll be happier and more harmonious. And I was hugely wrong about that. In this century, the first 20 years of this century, we have seen...

Yeah, okay. So I said, isn't it great that Americans are just losing interest in religion? And, you know, religion is the most divisive and dogmatic force out there, and we'll be like Scandinavia, and we'll be happier and more harmonious. And I was hugely wrong about that. In this century, the first 20 years of this century, we have seen...

Yeah, okay. So I said, isn't it great that Americans are just losing interest in religion? And, you know, religion is the most divisive and dogmatic force out there, and we'll be like Scandinavia, and we'll be happier and more harmonious. And I was hugely wrong about that. In this century, the first 20 years of this century, we have seen...

A wave of de-churching, secularization, unlike anything in American history. 40 million people have basically abandoned the church. Now, we're talking Christianity since this is, you know, it's obviously our predominant religion. You saw, just in a period of 14 years, you saw a 15 percentage point drop in the number of people saying they were Christian. And where did they go?