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Jonathan V. Last

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2407 total appearances

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The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1027: Jonathan Rauch: Focus On the Corruption

Well, as I say, it may be a bit more complicated. There may be a couple more logical steps to go through. But I think incompetence will basically just show itself. I don't think you need to do a lot about that. On the corruption being hard, You know, I think back to what happened to Nixon. You know, he'd had a reputation for corruption for a while. People would call him Tricky Dick.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1027: Jonathan Rauch: Focus On the Corruption

Well, as I say, it may be a bit more complicated. There may be a couple more logical steps to go through. But I think incompetence will basically just show itself. I don't think you need to do a lot about that. On the corruption being hard, You know, I think back to what happened to Nixon. You know, he'd had a reputation for corruption for a while. People would call him Tricky Dick.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1027: Jonathan Rauch: Focus On the Corruption

Well, as I say, it may be a bit more complicated. There may be a couple more logical steps to go through. But I think incompetence will basically just show itself. I don't think you need to do a lot about that. On the corruption being hard, You know, I think back to what happened to Nixon. You know, he'd had a reputation for corruption for a while. People would call him Tricky Dick.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1027: Jonathan Rauch: Focus On the Corruption

But it takes time for this to sink in. But the American public did come to understand that That Nixon's corruption was political corruption, not financial corruption. It wasn't money in the bank for Nixon. What he was doing was repurposing the system, the government, for his own political gain. And Trump is doing that. He's doing it in a very big way.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1027: Jonathan Rauch: Focus On the Corruption

But it takes time for this to sink in. But the American public did come to understand that That Nixon's corruption was political corruption, not financial corruption. It wasn't money in the bank for Nixon. What he was doing was repurposing the system, the government, for his own political gain. And Trump is doing that. He's doing it in a very big way.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1027: Jonathan Rauch: Focus On the Corruption

But it takes time for this to sink in. But the American public did come to understand that That Nixon's corruption was political corruption, not financial corruption. It wasn't money in the bank for Nixon. What he was doing was repurposing the system, the government, for his own political gain. And Trump is doing that. He's doing it in a very big way.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1027: Jonathan Rauch: Focus On the Corruption

He's shaking down law firms for a slush fund that he can play around with. So, you can frame that story that way. You can, I mean, one of the interesting data points that I stumbled across is that the amount that they want to cut taxes, largely for rich people, is the amount that would be necessary to keep social security solvent indefinitely instead of going, I think the date's what, 2035 now.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1027: Jonathan Rauch: Focus On the Corruption

He's shaking down law firms for a slush fund that he can play around with. So, you can frame that story that way. You can, I mean, one of the interesting data points that I stumbled across is that the amount that they want to cut taxes, largely for rich people, is the amount that would be necessary to keep social security solvent indefinitely instead of going, I think the date's what, 2035 now.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1027: Jonathan Rauch: Focus On the Corruption

He's shaking down law firms for a slush fund that he can play around with. So, you can frame that story that way. You can, I mean, one of the interesting data points that I stumbled across is that the amount that they want to cut taxes, largely for rich people, is the amount that would be necessary to keep social security solvent indefinitely instead of going, I think the date's what, 2035 now.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1027: Jonathan Rauch: Focus On the Corruption

So, You know, Trump's corruption is going to take your Social Security money and put it in the pocket of his rich pals. So there are lots of these stories that you can weave. But you've got to build that larger narrative. The guy who knows how to do this, someone who's figured this out, is Senator Murphy.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1027: Jonathan Rauch: Focus On the Corruption

So, You know, Trump's corruption is going to take your Social Security money and put it in the pocket of his rich pals. So there are lots of these stories that you can weave. But you've got to build that larger narrative. The guy who knows how to do this, someone who's figured this out, is Senator Murphy.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1027: Jonathan Rauch: Focus On the Corruption

So, You know, Trump's corruption is going to take your Social Security money and put it in the pocket of his rich pals. So there are lots of these stories that you can weave. But you've got to build that larger narrative. The guy who knows how to do this, someone who's figured this out, is Senator Murphy.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1027: Jonathan Rauch: Focus On the Corruption

Chris Murphy, who went on the floor. And, you know, he had the whole chart, and maybe it was too complicated and there are too many steps. But he just started rolling through it, corruption, corruption, corruption, example, example, example. The problem is there's only one of that.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1027: Jonathan Rauch: Focus On the Corruption

Chris Murphy, who went on the floor. And, you know, he had the whole chart, and maybe it was too complicated and there are too many steps. But he just started rolling through it, corruption, corruption, corruption, example, example, example. The problem is there's only one of that.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1027: Jonathan Rauch: Focus On the Corruption

Chris Murphy, who went on the floor. And, you know, he had the whole chart, and maybe it was too complicated and there are too many steps. But he just started rolling through it, corruption, corruption, corruption, example, example, example. The problem is there's only one of that.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1027: Jonathan Rauch: Focus On the Corruption

And you need a whole rotation of Democratic senators who are on and off the floor every day, corruption, corruption, corruption. And I think that breaks through after a while. And yeah, there are a lot of people who think they're all corrupt. All politicians are corrupt.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1027: Jonathan Rauch: Focus On the Corruption

And you need a whole rotation of Democratic senators who are on and off the floor every day, corruption, corruption, corruption. And I think that breaks through after a while. And yeah, there are a lot of people who think they're all corrupt. All politicians are corrupt.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1027: Jonathan Rauch: Focus On the Corruption

And you need a whole rotation of Democratic senators who are on and off the floor every day, corruption, corruption, corruption. And I think that breaks through after a while. And yeah, there are a lot of people who think they're all corrupt. All politicians are corrupt.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1027: Jonathan Rauch: Focus On the Corruption

And there are people who give Trump a pass because they think he's somehow authentic and maybe less corrupt than the others, or he's already super rich. Wolf in wolf's clothing. Yeah, a wolf in wolf's clothing. Exactly. But you remember here, the goal of this campaign is not to win MAGA voters because that's hopeless.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1027: Jonathan Rauch: Focus On the Corruption

And there are people who give Trump a pass because they think he's somehow authentic and maybe less corrupt than the others, or he's already super rich. Wolf in wolf's clothing. Yeah, a wolf in wolf's clothing. Exactly. But you remember here, the goal of this campaign is not to win MAGA voters because that's hopeless.