Jonathan V. Last

It sounds good. And I hope we don't have to wait quite that long.

It sounds good. And I hope we don't have to wait quite that long.

Hello and welcome to the Bulwark Podcast. I'm JVL sitting in for Tim Miller and I am joined today by a longtime friend, David Frum, now a staff writer at The Atlantic and host of a new podcast, The David Frum Show on The Atlantic. David, it is fantastic to have you here with us. How are you, my friend? I'm all right. Thank you. Hello from Los Angeles. Well, thank you for being here.

Hello and welcome to the Bulwark Podcast. I'm JVL sitting in for Tim Miller and I am joined today by a longtime friend, David Frum, now a staff writer at The Atlantic and host of a new podcast, The David Frum Show on The Atlantic. David, it is fantastic to have you here with us. How are you, my friend? I'm all right. Thank you. Hello from Los Angeles. Well, thank you for being here.

Hello and welcome to the Bulwark Podcast. I'm JVL sitting in for Tim Miller and I am joined today by a longtime friend, David Frum, now a staff writer at The Atlantic and host of a new podcast, The David Frum Show on The Atlantic. David, it is fantastic to have you here with us. How are you, my friend? I'm all right. Thank you. Hello from Los Angeles. Well, thank you for being here.

We're going to talk about a bunch of different things because you're the best guest on this podcast all the time. Tim is the regular host, has to pretend that he doesn't have favorite guests, but I don't have to make any such things. You are the best guest.

We're going to talk about a bunch of different things because you're the best guest on this podcast all the time. Tim is the regular host, has to pretend that he doesn't have favorite guests, but I don't have to make any such things. You are the best guest.

We're going to talk about a bunch of different things because you're the best guest on this podcast all the time. Tim is the regular host, has to pretend that he doesn't have favorite guests, but I don't have to make any such things. You are the best guest.

Last night, we got a Supreme Court ruling unanimously on Kilmar Abrego-Garcia, the Maryland father of a special needs child who was wrongly deported down to the mega prison in El Salvador. The court ruled that the administration must facilitate his return, but it did not order it.

Last night, we got a Supreme Court ruling unanimously on Kilmar Abrego-Garcia, the Maryland father of a special needs child who was wrongly deported down to the mega prison in El Salvador. The court ruled that the administration must facilitate his return, but it did not order it.

Last night, we got a Supreme Court ruling unanimously on Kilmar Abrego-Garcia, the Maryland father of a special needs child who was wrongly deported down to the mega prison in El Salvador. The court ruled that the administration must facilitate his return, but it did not order it.

And it also indicated that courts may not have the power to do so because of, quote, deference owed to the executive branch in the conduct of foreign affairs. David, this reads to me like a less good decision than some people seem to hope because it presumes a world of regular order. Tell me, what are your thoughts on this?

And it also indicated that courts may not have the power to do so because of, quote, deference owed to the executive branch in the conduct of foreign affairs. David, this reads to me like a less good decision than some people seem to hope because it presumes a world of regular order. Tell me, what are your thoughts on this?

And it also indicated that courts may not have the power to do so because of, quote, deference owed to the executive branch in the conduct of foreign affairs. David, this reads to me like a less good decision than some people seem to hope because it presumes a world of regular order. Tell me, what are your thoughts on this?

Do you think that Trump wants to comply with this? Because it seems to me that it's pretty easy for him to not comply if he doesn't want to. He can do one of two things. He could say no, because this is actually foreign affairs and has to do with the national security of the United States with the purview of the chief executive.

Do you think that Trump wants to comply with this? Because it seems to me that it's pretty easy for him to not comply if he doesn't want to. He can do one of two things. He could say no, because this is actually foreign affairs and has to do with the national security of the United States with the purview of the chief executive.

Do you think that Trump wants to comply with this? Because it seems to me that it's pretty easy for him to not comply if he doesn't want to. He can do one of two things. He could say no, because this is actually foreign affairs and has to do with the national security of the United States with the purview of the chief executive.

Or he could say, I tried, I spoke to them, and I can't tell you about those discussions because of executive privilege. but it is simply not possible.

Or he could say, I tried, I spoke to them, and I can't tell you about those discussions because of executive privilege. but it is simply not possible.

Or he could say, I tried, I spoke to them, and I can't tell you about those discussions because of executive privilege. but it is simply not possible.