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Jonathan V. Last

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The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

I guess just since we're here and we're doing the Biden book tour, do you have any additional Biden thoughts you want to share? And have any of the revelations from the past week brought any nuance or color to your views or same as it ever was?

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

You know, I have contradictory thoughts. I think a point that you made is that like the cover up thing is real to the extent that people around Biden understood how limited he was and they were working to keep that hidden. But they thought he was going to go on the debate stage and win. They didn't put him up on the debate stage because they thought he was demented.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

You know, I have contradictory thoughts. I think a point that you made is that like the cover up thing is real to the extent that people around Biden understood how limited he was and they were working to keep that hidden. But they thought he was going to go on the debate stage and win. They didn't put him up on the debate stage because they thought he was demented.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

You know, I have contradictory thoughts. I think a point that you made is that like the cover up thing is real to the extent that people around Biden understood how limited he was and they were working to keep that hidden. But they thought he was going to go on the debate stage and win. They didn't put him up on the debate stage because they thought he was demented.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

They thought he was going to win. So it's very hard to reconcile the most extreme kind of cover up scenario with that. That said, I think if you look back on the way liberals were discussing Biden all along and even after the debate. There's a real internal culture problem we had where it was hard to say this guy shouldn't be the candidate we're going to lose. Like I wrote those pieces.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

They thought he was going to win. So it's very hard to reconcile the most extreme kind of cover up scenario with that. That said, I think if you look back on the way liberals were discussing Biden all along and even after the debate. There's a real internal culture problem we had where it was hard to say this guy shouldn't be the candidate we're going to lose. Like I wrote those pieces.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

They thought he was going to win. So it's very hard to reconcile the most extreme kind of cover up scenario with that. That said, I think if you look back on the way liberals were discussing Biden all along and even after the debate. There's a real internal culture problem we had where it was hard to say this guy shouldn't be the candidate we're going to lose. Like I wrote those pieces.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

And when I wrote those pieces, I would get slammed over and over again. Right. You've got, you know, an audience capture problem. You've got social media dynamics that make people hesitant to say what they know. And like, wouldn't it be easier just to write the column online?

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

And when I wrote those pieces, I would get slammed over and over again. Right. You've got, you know, an audience capture problem. You've got social media dynamics that make people hesitant to say what they know. And like, wouldn't it be easier just to write the column online?

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

And when I wrote those pieces, I would get slammed over and over again. Right. You've got, you know, an audience capture problem. You've got social media dynamics that make people hesitant to say what they know. And like, wouldn't it be easier just to write the column online?

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

or to make the point about the thing that all my audience is going to like hearing and not the thing that they don't like hearing. And when enough people do that, it prevents you from correcting real mistakes in your own position, and then you lose, and then that feels a lot worse.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

or to make the point about the thing that all my audience is going to like hearing and not the thing that they don't like hearing. And when enough people do that, it prevents you from correcting real mistakes in your own position, and then you lose, and then that feels a lot worse.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

or to make the point about the thing that all my audience is going to like hearing and not the thing that they don't like hearing. And when enough people do that, it prevents you from correcting real mistakes in your own position, and then you lose, and then that feels a lot worse.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

And I hope people learn the right lesson, which is like an open culture where people can actually identify mistakes on their side and say them without getting slammed by their own side and treated as the enemy is ultimately a healthier culture.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

And I hope people learn the right lesson, which is like an open culture where people can actually identify mistakes on their side and say them without getting slammed by their own side and treated as the enemy is ultimately a healthier culture.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

And I hope people learn the right lesson, which is like an open culture where people can actually identify mistakes on their side and say them without getting slammed by their own side and treated as the enemy is ultimately a healthier culture.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

And within any organization, dissent within an organization is helpful, right? Like everybody's saying, yes, sir, Mr. CEO, sir, like is a path to Enron. Right. You know, you can just look at any organization, right? Like that's a healthy organizational culture aligned dissent. Also, why don't we give a quick shout out to some of our elders too?

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

And within any organization, dissent within an organization is helpful, right? Like everybody's saying, yes, sir, Mr. CEO, sir, like is a path to Enron. Right. You know, you can just look at any organization, right? Like that's a healthy organizational culture aligned dissent. Also, why don't we give a quick shout out to some of our elders too?

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

And within any organization, dissent within an organization is helpful, right? Like everybody's saying, yes, sir, Mr. CEO, sir, like is a path to Enron. Right. You know, you can just look at any organization, right? Like that's a healthy organizational culture aligned dissent. Also, why don't we give a quick shout out to some of our elders too?

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

There are, you know, benefits and threats to every situation. While as a public servant in a safe blue district, maybe it doesn't make sense for you to be 77 years old with health issues and running again. Maybe it's better for you to have a younger person replace you.