Jonny Holland

At what time of the year do they get actual cohesion and a chance to put connections together in that defensive setup, especially when it's so aggressive?

There are things that I think, you know, their coaches have been a bit fed up of.

And I think, you know, Leo's been quite outwardly as well in terms of maybe criticising the RFU or criticising players on player movement, which again, I think there's a massive amount of fatigue in Leinster and there's a lot of fatigue around their supporter base, you know, that they haven't gotten over the line and all of a sudden people are asking questions.

So when...

So when Jack is talking about not feeling valued, I'd say the South African way of, you see the online discourse at the moment around South African people not thinking Jack is valued either and maybe doubling down on what's going on.

I think he was blindly backed in South Africa and rightly so.

They turned the whole thing around since 2017, didn't they?

But they'd go to war for him and he's probably not feeling that same

level of appreciation from the fan base.

So that must feel different.

And I think, you know, for such a successful club who are still in the competition and the only Irish club in the competition, they're getting a lot of heat, which probably feels unjust.

And they're starting to react now as well.

But yeah, going back to your original point, I don't see...

I don't see their identity being very clear.

I think you look at their attack, their first try against Bordeaux.

I know they played Lions in between, by the way, but like that, Lions were terrible.

And when the opposition isn't challenging you, you can do what you want.

Generally, you can pick whatever game plan you want and a team like that's going to execute it.

But, you know, they got their first try against Bordeaux and it was very well executed, held on to the ball, large amount of phases.

It wasn't very threatening, it was just, it eroded the defence, I would say.