Jonny Holland

And then when you look at some of the rest of their kind of strike plays, you wonder how many phases they're actually telling them to attack for because it looks like it's all set up for quite a while.

It looks like the instinct has kind of gone from some of it, but...

you know that's professional rugby as well like you have to kind of give a blueprint for fellas to express themselves but if you look at teams like you know look at the Glasgow Connacht game at the weekend and it was just explosive attack you know and decision making and maybe they won't get there maybe Leinster will win out but there's definitely a difference in style from that perspective

Yeah, I just think, just building on Bernard's point, it's been a very strange year for Leinster, I think, in the background in terms of the RFU and the resourcing and massive change that most people probably won't understand in terms of budgeting.

And that ties into the James Law conversation, maybe, that they are having to front up now up to 30% of a lot of contracts.

It's a lot of money that all of a sudden there's a pressure on the job that Leo probably didn't sign up for.

Like in the last... Well, this last year, he's after copping a lot of flack for...

maybe performances earlier in the year and that's post-Lyons back into international not having those players I think there was a bit of frustration around that and then he's dealing with the budgetary changes and the differences going forward that's something that he's had to deal with that he didn't have to deal with before and now all of a sudden he's got better players who are looking to move on to care for all these little world never looked to move before so I think there's a lot more going on behind the scenes which has kind of brought this to a bit of a boiling point

and then having to defend his coaches and defend their game plan and you know any one of those things in isolation is probably fine but the whole lot of it coming together I think has just made it a very very strange year for Leinster being you know as Bernard said I don't like them comparing themselves to the rest of the Irish provinces because

they're by far and away more successful and more set up, as Bernard said as well, to be successful.

But you can't be looking over your shoulder and they never have.

So comparing themselves to people who aren't winning is not the Leinster that we're used to.

So I think there's been a lot going on in terms of Leo's job, how it's changed.

Probably having a... Well, I'm not sure he didn't have dominant coaches in the past, but there's no doubt...

Jack is very dominant in terms of the passion he has over his beliefs.

And I think when you're dealing with someone like that, you're going to have to be all over everything you say or every narrative that you put out there.

And that's one thing that I wrote.

I don't want to be... I have no interest in being on top of a coach and looking for the end of their contract and all that.

But the big thing I would question, well, first of all is...

You know, he's always been... I've actually respected the fact that no matter what happened, what result, he gets very objective, talks about the game, looks like it doesn't really get to him.