Jonny Holland

And I always found that strange because it was a real positive for Oil.

And after Oil, I was saying, will he ever show some...

some kind of personality in terms of hating losing like i don't like him kind of explaining away a lot sometimes and all of a sudden he's not explaining it away he's biting back and i'm like that's you know you use the word bernard inconsistent or it's not consistent i i find that very strange as well like if you look at some coaches in the past and they've had a right cut off the media but they might do it every three weeks you know you're kind of

you're going in to expect it but i think the way it's happened now it did probably start as a bit of a stir and try and get people back on their site i don't think it's worked and now they're doubling down and and it probably stinks of a bit more desperation or a lack of control at this stage because if they had won i think they'd have said we started off because we created a narrative and the narrative worked i don't think the narrative has worked and now they're kind of rudderless in terms of how to communicate um i like the

I like the charisma, I like the personality, but I don't think it's been consistent and I don't think he's that kind of person to come out into the media and challenge every week.

I think he's been really good at the objective stuff, but the subjective hasn't, I don't think it's hit well.

And my question was, how is he treating the players?

What's the narrative?

How is he getting them back on site?

How is the buy-in?

And like I said earlier, Jack and Razzy have South African players, coaches, staff, fans, everyone in the palm of their hand.

I'm not sure Leinster is in the palm of anyone's hand at the moment and that's a problem.

Yeah, in the past, I thought, this is progressive, I like that.

It's obviously about understanding language, way of doing things and motivation.

Like, I'd often have injured players in car con and they'd be closer to our dugout and they'd go, it's way different when you're looking at it on the sideline.

And that's a very low level compared to what we're looking at here.

So I see the merit in it massively.

But as Bernard said, you know, it's...

Like, first of all, Leo said he's very honest with his players.

What he says to the coaching box, he probably said to his players anyway.