Jonny Holland

So like, take that into account.

It's probably very true.

As I don't think he says anything too direct at any given stage anyway.

But I think like, as Bernard said, it's not a development block.

You know, so fair enough up to every other point, but I don't think the guy who wants to be selected wants to be in the coaching box.

I'm not sure.

Maybe he feel like he'll have a bit of a say in it, but Sam Prendergast and Fintan Gunnar are in very different positions in that Leinster squad as well.

They're two very different players in terms of their standing in the squad.

So that's one thing I find inconsistent.

And then the other thing is when you look at rugby through a prism of, you know, participation, development, performance,

Bernard's right in saying that the 80 minutes in the final is not for development.

It's certainly not for participation.

It's for performance and performance only.

And the outcome is the only thing that matters, obviously, in lifting the trophy or not.

And like you talk about schools rugby, like first year might be participation, second year development, third year.

performance and you repeat that in the senior cycle you might look at it that way but you might also look at it a different way in professional game where you get academy players into the pre-season and that's participation give them exposure at the end of the pre-season you might get some of them into pre-season game that's development you could argue they all blur anyway but you're not going to keep them forever because you need to perform you need your squad performing across the season so like there's times in the year that's for development and there's times that are for solely for performance and a final is clearly solely for performance so look i'd have my questions around it as well but um

you know they're I like it as a progressive way of looking at things throughout the season as you said earlier Neil but in the final I'm not really sure just another point on Leinster before I move off and I thought Sam Prendergast was very very good at the beginning I know he's on the front foot but it made me think throughout the game

I almost wrote something on it, but I went a different approach.

Like, in fairness to Leo, if I bring it back a small bit, pick a 10 in Leinster.

Absolutely the most difficult thing.