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Yeah, you know, it's interesting. Em was curious, you know, in saying, am I being too cynical? Like, is this just about business? Is this just saying, okay, this is the best way to be profitable? Or is it kind of like, oh, out of the goodness of our hearts, We want to better represent America in our business. Sort of what's the thought process behind these decisions?

Yeah, you know, it's interesting. Em was curious, you know, in saying, am I being too cynical? Like, is this just about business? Is this just saying, okay, this is the best way to be profitable? Or is it kind of like, oh, out of the goodness of our hearts, We want to better represent America in our business. Sort of what's the thought process behind these decisions?

Yeah, you know, it's interesting. Em was curious, you know, in saying, am I being too cynical? Like, is this just about business? Is this just saying, okay, this is the best way to be profitable? Or is it kind of like, oh, out of the goodness of our hearts, We want to better represent America in our business. Sort of what's the thought process behind these decisions?

OK, so there are these instances where DEI policies are in place, but they aren't all that effective. We've talked a little bit about this pendulum swing from DEI, and it's happened both on the right and on the left. When did we start to see that pendulum swing back on DEI? How did we go from like, you know, this peak moment in 2020 to where we are now?

OK, so there are these instances where DEI policies are in place, but they aren't all that effective. We've talked a little bit about this pendulum swing from DEI, and it's happened both on the right and on the left. When did we start to see that pendulum swing back on DEI? How did we go from like, you know, this peak moment in 2020 to where we are now?

OK, so there are these instances where DEI policies are in place, but they aren't all that effective. We've talked a little bit about this pendulum swing from DEI, and it's happened both on the right and on the left. When did we start to see that pendulum swing back on DEI? How did we go from like, you know, this peak moment in 2020 to where we are now?

All right. Thanks, Abdullah. I want you to stay close because I have a few more questions for you. But first, we're going to take a second to talk with an innovator in the world of diversity, equity and inclusion about where DEI falls short. That's coming up next on Explain It To Me. This is Explain It To Me. We're back. And today we're getting to what all the hullabaloo around DEI means.

All right. Thanks, Abdullah. I want you to stay close because I have a few more questions for you. But first, we're going to take a second to talk with an innovator in the world of diversity, equity and inclusion about where DEI falls short. That's coming up next on Explain It To Me. This is Explain It To Me. We're back. And today we're getting to what all the hullabaloo around DEI means.

All right. Thanks, Abdullah. I want you to stay close because I have a few more questions for you. But first, we're going to take a second to talk with an innovator in the world of diversity, equity and inclusion about where DEI falls short. That's coming up next on Explain It To Me. This is Explain It To Me. We're back. And today we're getting to what all the hullabaloo around DEI means.

We reached out to Eric Ellis. He's the CEO and president of a corporate coaching organization called Integrity Development. Basically, a lot of his job is to help companies meet their diversity, equity and inclusion goals. Right now, in 2025, those feel like buzzwords. But Eric's been in the game a long time.

We reached out to Eric Ellis. He's the CEO and president of a corporate coaching organization called Integrity Development. Basically, a lot of his job is to help companies meet their diversity, equity and inclusion goals. Right now, in 2025, those feel like buzzwords. But Eric's been in the game a long time.

We reached out to Eric Ellis. He's the CEO and president of a corporate coaching organization called Integrity Development. Basically, a lot of his job is to help companies meet their diversity, equity and inclusion goals. Right now, in 2025, those feel like buzzwords. But Eric's been in the game a long time.

I want to take us to the now. You know, earlier in the show, we talked with my colleague, Abdullah Fayyad, and he walked us through, you know, this backlash against DEI and how it predates Trump. But since coming into office, President Trump has instituted a lot of big changes in the federal workplace and also at universities because, you know, federal grants.

I want to take us to the now. You know, earlier in the show, we talked with my colleague, Abdullah Fayyad, and he walked us through, you know, this backlash against DEI and how it predates Trump. But since coming into office, President Trump has instituted a lot of big changes in the federal workplace and also at universities because, you know, federal grants.

I want to take us to the now. You know, earlier in the show, we talked with my colleague, Abdullah Fayyad, and he walked us through, you know, this backlash against DEI and how it predates Trump. But since coming into office, President Trump has instituted a lot of big changes in the federal workplace and also at universities because, you know, federal grants.

Have you seen a major change in how for-profit companies are responding to this in the wake of the Trump administration?

Have you seen a major change in how for-profit companies are responding to this in the wake of the Trump administration?

Have you seen a major change in how for-profit companies are responding to this in the wake of the Trump administration?

You know, it's really interesting to think of, I don't know, the values companies hold, because, you know, we saw all these black squares in 2020, all of these, and now it's just such a reversal. I'm like, just the pendulum has been swinging back and forth. And it's kind of like, okay, well, what is it you actually think and believe?

You know, it's really interesting to think of, I don't know, the values companies hold, because, you know, we saw all these black squares in 2020, all of these, and now it's just such a reversal. I'm like, just the pendulum has been swinging back and forth. And it's kind of like, okay, well, what is it you actually think and believe?