Jonquilyn Hill

You know, it's really interesting to think of, I don't know, the values companies hold, because, you know, we saw all these black squares in 2020, all of these, and now it's just such a reversal. I'm like, just the pendulum has been swinging back and forth. And it's kind of like, okay, well, what is it you actually think and believe?

OK, I'm glad you brought up white guys, because speaking of white guys, we need to talk about where a lot of this stems from. You know, recently, a New York Times podcast interviewed the conservative activist Chris Ruffo. He played a major role in rolling back affirmative action. And he also came up with a lot of the anti-DEI policies that the Trump administration is implementing right now.

OK, I'm glad you brought up white guys, because speaking of white guys, we need to talk about where a lot of this stems from. You know, recently, a New York Times podcast interviewed the conservative activist Chris Ruffo. He played a major role in rolling back affirmative action. And he also came up with a lot of the anti-DEI policies that the Trump administration is implementing right now.

OK, I'm glad you brought up white guys, because speaking of white guys, we need to talk about where a lot of this stems from. You know, recently, a New York Times podcast interviewed the conservative activist Chris Ruffo. He played a major role in rolling back affirmative action. And he also came up with a lot of the anti-DEI policies that the Trump administration is implementing right now.

I want to play a quick clip from that for you.

I want to play a quick clip from that for you.

I want to play a quick clip from that for you.

OK. Admittedly, you know, when I hear that, especially comparisons to lunch counters, like my initial gut reaction is to eye roll. And I'm kind of curious what you think about this idea on the right that there should be this kind of, quote unquote, colorblind equality.

OK. Admittedly, you know, when I hear that, especially comparisons to lunch counters, like my initial gut reaction is to eye roll. And I'm kind of curious what you think about this idea on the right that there should be this kind of, quote unquote, colorblind equality.

OK. Admittedly, you know, when I hear that, especially comparisons to lunch counters, like my initial gut reaction is to eye roll. And I'm kind of curious what you think about this idea on the right that there should be this kind of, quote unquote, colorblind equality.

Is this just going to kind of be a rebrand? Like we're just going to find different words to use for these programs?

Is this just going to kind of be a rebrand? Like we're just going to find different words to use for these programs?

Is this just going to kind of be a rebrand? Like we're just going to find different words to use for these programs?

So that's what companies have to do. But what does it mean for you if you work at a company rolling back its DEI initiatives? That's after the break. It's Explain It To Me. We're back with another question from our caller, Em.

So that's what companies have to do. But what does it mean for you if you work at a company rolling back its DEI initiatives? That's after the break. It's Explain It To Me. We're back with another question from our caller, Em.

So that's what companies have to do. But what does it mean for you if you work at a company rolling back its DEI initiatives? That's after the break. It's Explain It To Me. We're back with another question from our caller, Em.

OK, so our caller M also had another question that I want to play for you.

OK, so our caller M also had another question that I want to play for you.

OK, so our caller M also had another question that I want to play for you.

Okay, I want to play you a question from another caller. His name is Chang, and I'd love to know what you think about this question.