Jordan Jozak

So we don't need our governments, right?

Had an amazing time with them.

Great people.

Worked with some of the best operators that I've ever worked with in my life.

But I've actually left the Skywatcher team last July.

And the reason being, highly personal for me, but I was just kind of beginning to get the sensation that we need less military, honestly, right?

We need less of this kind of like...

wounded masculine we're gonna go figure this out what we actually need is like the public support we need the next generation thinkers we need the next generation industry to begin working on disclosure we don't need the highly compartmented i've worked in defense my entire life and you know that's been my trajectory i just don't see that being the best like next chapter for us yeah also i would say you know and and i've

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like, so, so for example, like from the psionic, you know, portion of this, and I, and I, I lead these experiences for people want to go interact, right?

It's not, Hey, follow this three steps.

It's, it's highly heart-based.

It's like, I actually need you to forget everything that you know, and I need you to open your heart as you prepare to, you know, embark on this journey to interact with something like NHI.

It's, it's not, um,

it's not mechanistic it's it doesn't fit the military you know box very well right so i i totally agree with you and i think again it's just um there's there's truth and there's data and there's things on both sides of the table you know like a very interesting you know perspective without going in too much detail that i can share here is like from the skywatcher cohort right like the psionic operations right like when the psychics were going out when we were setting up and running a session and actually trying to elicit uap

Right.

We were not successful 100 percent of the time at eliciting a response.

Right.

However, every time we did elicit a response, the phenomena was highly benign.