Jordan Jozak

So perhaps there's an intelligence or an awareness that's actually fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh dimension.

It's evolved away from the point of needing an ego ID.

For those that aren't familiar with that, like looking at neuroscience, it doesn't need an ego ID, doesn't need a body.

Maybe it exists as this ethereal thought form, but it's actually an awareness and intelligence and it can interact with the third dimension.

And it interacts by materializing a portion of itself here, right?

And maybe that's what we're seeing, you know, from the UAP side.

I don't think that's all of it, but I think that's a portion.

So it's like there's extraterrestrial, there's interdimensional.

There's also, what if it's us?

Like I'm not completely sold on this either.

And I'll point to a lot of experiments with plasma, right?

Like even that Esalen event that I described when we had 30 people, highly heart centric, we had these incredible interactions with plasma orbs, right?

But I'm not completely convinced that like,

that could not be an extension of human consciousness materializing itself too, right?

So it's like, it's not just one size fits all.

It's not as simple as like, hey, there's aliens.

I think we all want this to be simple.

I think, again, the real work in understanding the phenomena is going to be in how we understand consciousness and awareness and what forms consciousness and awareness can take on.

Yeah.

The next generation of this, like, where do we go post-disclosure?