Jordan Jozak

Right.

It's plausible.

Deniability is key.

It is not grandiose.

It's like if you want to hide something, you blend it in.

Yeah.

it's not like some crazy dark i think like all the conspiratorial you know just um imaginations you know out there have kind of created the stigma of it's like highly secret it's like actually it's highly secret certainly but it's hidden in plain sight it's not compartmented like you'd think it's gonna operate through channels that you know carry and allow plausible deniability right are you gonna question if the air force is setting up a road perimeter

Or would you question if the local police department are there less?

Right.

Like you're going to flow through the channels that you can.

You're not going to make yourself a target.

Yeah, there's certainly some connections there, you know, whether the exact contractor personnel or not, where Odyssey Systems is like highly debated.

I think some of the underlying like tech platforms that were being used just in terms of like data management were Odyssey Systems.

But I believe that there's quite a bit that points to MITRE.

My understanding.

Yes, yes, yes.

And highly synonymous.

You know, I kind of look at Puharich is like he he likely championed the earlier iteration of research that I later experienced in the program.

A lot of the same similarities, you know, his ideal space kids, right?

In upstate New York.