Jordan Klepper

I remember a time where, I mean, I'm a left-winger man.

And we had, like, discussions in Brazil.

The left and the right would discuss, and we would fight.

But we would discuss over the same thing, over the same fact.

And I think that now facts, they don't matter anymore.

It's about versions.

People have versions of the truth.

And that I think is very scary, especially with the development of technology where you can see now you speaking and it's you, it's your face, it's your voice, but it's not you.

Yeah.

And how can we deal with that kind of thing?

We're now all given plausible deniability to the things that we see, which I fear leads to apathy and distrust.

Mm-hmm.

I mean, it's curious.

I'm talking to you right here.

You're very open and engaged politically, which I don't always see with high profile actors.

You know, it seems as if like your ability to engage with these conversations in art and publicly, like that comes with a risk.

Like, do you see that

responsibility with you like activism and performance they don't always make beautiful bed yeah I don't I don't see that as a responsibility I think that this is me this is how I behave as a human being and that's also why I'm drawn to political projects because it's something that I that I that I like and that but I don't see that as a responsibility because they're also the pressure to

so-called public figures to go out there and speak, I don't think that's even fair because many people are not ready to talk.

And the backlash is very strong.