Jordan Klepper

That's a banger.

Yeah, it's a banger.

That's a banger, right?

There are people... It's curious...

Seeing that that video is politically charged, the music is politically charged, but there's still people who are surprised sometimes to hear that.

Is that embedded in what punk music is in general?

I thought so, apparently, until we started, you know, getting a lot of hate mail that said, just play, don't talk politics.

And I just scratched my head because the bands that inspired me and that I thought, you know, during my growing up listening to punk and bands singing about whether it be Reagan or, you know,

The Queen or Thatcher, you know, around the world, standing up to speaking about governments and then even in the Bush era.

And then now, in a time that, in my opinion, is worse than all those situations, a lot of bands have gone quiet because they don't really want the...

the negative attention.

They don't want the backlash.

They don't want the attacks.

They don't want the cancel culture.

But, yeah, this, to me, is like what, if you're a punk band, this should be your moment.

You know, this is when you should start.

Why do you think that is?

Is it the fear of cancellation in this moment?

I think you are right.

You articulate that punk music in itself has been talking about fighting fascism for quite some time.