Jordan Peterson
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Well, here's another weird data point. So psychologists have known for a long while that, sociologists as well, that people become more conservative as they get older. So that's how the data is explained. As people age, they become more conservative. But you can take exactly that same data and you can put another twist on it. It's exactly as explanatory and I think it's more accurate.
The reason this isn't happened is because academics, including the researchers, are radically biased in the direction of the liberals. It isn't that you become more conservative as you get older.
The reason this isn't happened is because academics, including the researchers, are radically biased in the direction of the liberals. It isn't that you become more conservative as you get older.
The reason this isn't happened is because academics, including the researchers, are radically biased in the direction of the liberals. It isn't that you become more conservative as you get older.
It's that conservatism is the political expression of maturity, and liberalism, progressivism, and the hedonism that goes along with it, that self-centered hedonism that is part and parcel, let's say, of the pride movement, that is the political expression of immaturity. And so here's something else this explains, because this is a perverse fact.
It's that conservatism is the political expression of maturity, and liberalism, progressivism, and the hedonism that goes along with it, that self-centered hedonism that is part and parcel, let's say, of the pride movement, that is the political expression of immaturity. And so here's something else this explains, because this is a perverse fact.
It's that conservatism is the political expression of maturity, and liberalism, progressivism, and the hedonism that goes along with it, that self-centered hedonism that is part and parcel, let's say, of the pride movement, that is the political expression of immaturity. And so here's something else this explains, because this is a perverse fact.
There has been no economic and conceptual doctrine that's been more radically discredited than let's say the radical leftism, the Marxist brands of leftism, but it doesn't go away. So it's not leftism, it's not Marxism, it's Marxism is the most radical expression of hedonistic immaturity. And the reason it doesn't go away is because hedonistic immaturity doesn't go away. It battles with maturity.
There has been no economic and conceptual doctrine that's been more radically discredited than let's say the radical leftism, the Marxist brands of leftism, but it doesn't go away. So it's not leftism, it's not Marxism, it's Marxism is the most radical expression of hedonistic immaturity. And the reason it doesn't go away is because hedonistic immaturity doesn't go away. It battles with maturity.
There has been no economic and conceptual doctrine that's been more radically discredited than let's say the radical leftism, the Marxist brands of leftism, but it doesn't go away. So it's not leftism, it's not Marxism, it's Marxism is the most radical expression of hedonistic immaturity. And the reason it doesn't go away is because hedonistic immaturity doesn't go away. It battles with maturity.
And as you become more mature, you become more conservative because conservatives are community-oriented and not self-oriented. Now, interestingly as well on the psychological side, there is no distinction between thinking about yourself and being unhappy. Those things are so tightly aligned that you can't dissociate them statistically, right?
And as you become more mature, you become more conservative because conservatives are community-oriented and not self-oriented. Now, interestingly as well on the psychological side, there is no distinction between thinking about yourself and being unhappy. Those things are so tightly aligned that you can't dissociate them statistically, right?
And as you become more mature, you become more conservative because conservatives are community-oriented and not self-oriented. Now, interestingly as well on the psychological side, there is no distinction between thinking about yourself and being unhappy. Those things are so tightly aligned that you can't dissociate them statistically, right?
So as you become more conservative, but truly more mature, the way you orient your life is toward the future and towards other people. And that turns out not exactly to make you happy, and you pointed this out. You said happiness was a fraught word, and I agree because happiness is a hedonistic goal, but
So as you become more conservative, but truly more mature, the way you orient your life is toward the future and towards other people. And that turns out not exactly to make you happy, and you pointed this out. You said happiness was a fraught word, and I agree because happiness is a hedonistic goal, but
So as you become more conservative, but truly more mature, the way you orient your life is toward the future and towards other people. And that turns out not exactly to make you happy, and you pointed this out. You said happiness was a fraught word, and I agree because happiness is a hedonistic goal, but
secure in your identity, free from chaotic anxiety, goal-directed, purpose-driven, and in service to others, right? Well, that's not bad. That's a good substitute for happiness. In fact, if you were wise and mature, that's what you would substitute for happiness, right? That's why Pinocchio discovers nothing but slavery on Pleasure Island, by the way.
secure in your identity, free from chaotic anxiety, goal-directed, purpose-driven, and in service to others, right? Well, that's not bad. That's a good substitute for happiness. In fact, if you were wise and mature, that's what you would substitute for happiness, right? That's why Pinocchio discovers nothing but slavery on Pleasure Island, by the way.
secure in your identity, free from chaotic anxiety, goal-directed, purpose-driven, and in service to others, right? Well, that's not bad. That's a good substitute for happiness. In fact, if you were wise and mature, that's what you would substitute for happiness, right? That's why Pinocchio discovers nothing but slavery on Pleasure Island, by the way.
So, right, because, you know, if you're a slave to your hedonic whims, that doesn't make you happy. It just makes you a slave. Right, right, right.